My point was they're not even doctors. You didn't magically heal from some serious disease. You were just swollen from work and when you stopped it went away. That doesn't happen for every single health issue.

I'm not saying all doctors are perfect either - especially in the US. I wouldn't trust an American doctor worth crap.

In the us the only incentive most doctors have is money. Which means they are incentivized to not cure/help you.

Here at the very least there are more concerns. Not all doctors are good. there are always going to be quacks and just plain bad doctors.

I'm only guessing, but I get we get a lot more doctors that want to be there and help people. Rather than in it for the mad cash.

Well twofold issue: it's not because they're incompetent that I wouldn't trust them, it's because they benefit from you not getting better. But if the US switched to a public health care system it obviously wouldn't improve 100% overnight. TBH I don't know what would happen, only thing you can do is look at what happened other places. I think things would improve over time, but nobody can see into the future. It's in such a bad state that it might be worth risking it though.

Public schools actually give you more of a grounding in REAL LIFE than private. Obama went to a private school and look how he turned out, and many like him. And USPS is great for cheap parcel service. You pay a premium for better service elsewhere but it's a tradeoff. You could still have private healthcare units there as well, for people who can afford it. The public system would be much better than nothing for those who couldn't.

Here's something to think about. If doctors didn't get paid much, who would become a doctor? Only those who wanted to do the job because they want to help people. Take money out of the equation (not completely, obviously) and things change. That's what we should do in politics too - people are in politics to make money these days. If we stopped all forms of external campaign funding and give politicians just regular salaries, more people who want to be there for the right reasons might be.

Yeah, my current job includes some stuff I don't entirely enjoy. But you know what? It's not as big of a headache as I had expected, but thats mostly due to the tools we use, and the people involved.

If I ever have to touch Moodle or anything like it again, I will scream.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. You think your problems can be solved by Waiting for Help from On High, and they'll burp and diaper you too. But they're all just out for themselves, Maslow's Hierarchy or not.

You are so concerned that someone ELSE might get medical help for "free" that you are ignoring the fact that you may end up in a similar situation, needing medical help but cannot afford it.

Imagine you need medical care for some reason and are unable to help yourself and some a-hole is demanding that everyone ignore you. I'll bet you change sides really fast once it is YOU that needs medical care for free.

And it really is not for free anyway. You pay for it via taxes.

Find a better example than cigarettes. I think that they actually loosened the nose there rather than tightened it. EDIT: Even back in the days of my chain smoking (I'm clean now) I found it rather alright that smoking inside was prohibited. Why should other people smell my filth?

But look at it from this POV: your country is already going down the drain, might as well provide free health care while its happening.

Scares me that this thread is still going considering the topic that started it .

Don't hold your breath, you superstitious wannabe mindreader.

No, and I don't need drugs or therapy to be sane, either.