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Absolute proof that GOD EXIST (Pretty Cool)
superstar4410
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January 2001
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Don't take yourself too seriously, but do take your responsibilities very seriously.

Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000

Hate to say it but that's full of warning signs:

  • The like/dislike count is hidden on both videos.

  • Comments are disabled on one of the videos. The other, I can't fathom why comments appear enabled but there aren't any, given that there are 1.6 million views. Technical glitch?

  • The wording "Absolute proof" tells me that it's trying to appeal to scientifically/mathematically minded people, which is a lost cause. I instantly know that the presentation will be difficult to swallow because the creators are pushing an agenda and don't actually know what their audience wants.

I guess you're convinced of the content. Can you summarise it for those of us who would have trouble spending that much time on it?

See also http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion ;) (I'll summarise this too since it could be difficult otherwise: religion is a great way to give many people a sense of purpose, but absolutely must not be pushed on others.)

(I'm being nice because I remember you from years ago :D)

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jmasterx
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October 2009

Oh God ::)

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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I'm on Time-Warner cable again, so I refreshed the video at 1:42 when it buffered endlessly and again at 3:16 before I gave up in disgust.

I'm pretty sure if I actually got through it that even a dummy like me would find well known fallacies in the "absolute proofs", but, like claims of perpetual motion or squaring the circle, I'm pretty well convinced it's a waste of time to start with.

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Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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Gideon Weems
Member #3,925
October 2003

I came in here thinking someone had discovered bread pudding...

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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All threads are yours except this one.
    ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE

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Elias
Member #358
May 2000

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Your series is not life changing because although my mind is open it is not empty.

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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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I already knew it could be proven with science.
I was doing similar research. there are also many inventions and discoveries in the Bible we have found over time but they was always in the Bible. it is as if ever thing we have now already existed in the past and we are just (redefining/rediscovering) them

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Yodhe23
Member #8,726
June 2007

Exactly which "Bible" are we referring to, as there are an awful lot of differences between them?

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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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After work. >:(

GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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Pure shit. I could also make the same episode with 'god does not exist', they didn't used ANY science.
>:(

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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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@GullRaDriel
you blind yourself and talk with your feelings and not your brain. Any logical person can understand it. it was clear. He use many scientific laws and principles the govern the technologies we have today.
I sujest you take a step back and reflect on what he was saying the principles along are enough 1+1 must and has to equal 2. logic

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someone972
Member #7,719
August 2006
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Could this become one of the great A.cc 100 page flame wars of old?

grabs popcorn ;)

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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Of course dog exist! Is in a book people wrote about on it's behalf! It's called a bibble book. Is how proof works know you

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Edgar Reynaldo
Member #8,592
May 2007
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To say it's 'absolute' proof, is kind of silly. There are many convincing arguments about the completely astronomical odds of earth or life existing at all that make sense to me at least, but then I already believe in God's existence.

For me, the bible speaks for itself. What it says just makes senseTM. And for anyone who disagrees, what part of the ten commandments are immoral? Summed up they say, love thy neighbor as you love yourself and love God with all your heart, mind and strength. Those aren't very hard to fulfill when you realize just how blessed you are to even exist at all, much less so when you count the rest of your blessings. I fully believe God rewards those who seek him. Since I started believing in God about 13 years ago, my life has slowly and steadily improved, and it's getting better all the time. 13 years ago I never could have imagined myself going back to school and getting a degree, but God helped me have faith, and faith helped me put my life back on track one step at a time. Now I'm on track to graduate this December, and I'm pretty lucky to have gotten a full tuition scholarship to a great school, and I'm very lucky to have been able to get federal loans to cover the rest of the expenses, which were not cheap. When I graduate and get a CS job, I'll be able to pay back my loans in just a year or two, and then my life will finally be put back together again. I gladly give God all the credit. Without His support I would be nowhere.

And Superstar, why'd you have to go and tempt bambam? You know he'll never relent until he's bashed your religion to pieces, because he doesn't have any faith in anything but what he can see with his own eyes. Eyes to see and ears to hear for anyone who would listen. Doubting Thomas wouldn't believe Christ rose from the dead until he felt the holes where the nails pierced his hands and where the spear pierced his side.

Do not doubt, but believe.

Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God".

Psalm 94 vv 7-15 (NRSV) said:

7 and they say, "The LORD does not see, the God of Jacob does not perceive."
8 Understand, O dullest of the people; fools, when will you be wise?
9 He who planted the ear, does he not hear? He who formed the eye, does he not see?
10 He who disciplines the nations, he who teaches knowledge to humankind, does he not chastise?
11 The LORD knows our thoughts, that they are but empty breath.
12 Happy are those whom you discipline, O LORD, and whom you teach out of your law,
13 giving them respite from days of trouble, until a pit is dug for the wicked.
14 For the LORD will not forsake his people; he will not abandon his heritage;
15 for justice will return to the righteous, and all the upright in heart will follow it.

Good luck trying to get Aetheists to believe in God. Although there is the Bible verse, "With God nothing shall be impossible". Also relevant, "All things are possible for those who believe".

Don't worry about trying to convince Aetheists that God exists. One way or another, they will find out the truth eventually.

Romans 14 vv. 10-12 said:

10 Why do you pass judgement on your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
11 For it is written,
"As I live, says the LORD, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall give praise to God."
12 So then, each of us will be accountable to God.

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

Did someone listen to it far enough to get one proof? And what was it?

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Edgar Reynaldo
Member #8,592
May 2007
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One 'proof' that I remember goes like this. The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that all things tend toward disorder. Explosions create disorder. So how could the biggest explosion of all time (the big bang) create an orderly universe? Have you ever seen a tornado sweep through a junkyard and assemble a boeing 747 out of the parts? Have you ever seen a hand grenade create order? No it creates chaos.

That was one of the arguments anyway, as best as I remember it. Basically it's just saying that because the universe is so orderly, there must be a divine intelligence behind it that created it.

Another argument was how astronomically improbable the formation of the universe was to begin with, because even the tiniest adjustment to the ratio between the strong and weak nuclear forces would have resulted in no stars forming at all. Further along those lines was how ridiculously dependent life is on hundreds of different parameters where if even one was off by a tiny bit no life would have formed on Earth. Example 1 - You need a big planet like Jupiter in the solar system to attract all the asteroids otherwise the Earth would have been pelted, pulverized, and pounded to bits by giant meteorites.

Just some of the arguments put forth. Not saying they're 'absolute' proof, but they make sense to me anyway.

Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000

Edgar, you're lucky you have "</flame bait>" on the end there. I nearly had to reiterate a point on the Internet ;)

The bible makes sense all right:

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As for the 'tending towards disorder' thing, that's merely an observation regarding the universe as we know it in the time we've lived in. We can extrapolate it back a certain distance, but since the Big Bang is a description of the beginning of the universe (not of something in the universe), extrapolating it to include the Big Bang is not realistic.

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

...because even the tiniest adjustment to the ratio between the strong and weak nuclear forces would have resulted in no stars forming at all.

Are they adjustable in any sense, independently? Like from a creator point-of-view. I know nothing about that field, but my guts tell me that it's stupid to think there's no connection. I mean, if there's a ratio, isn't it like pi? God couldn't have created a world with pi not being 3.14159... "Even the tiniest adjustment to the decimals of pi would have made no circles possible."

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Neil Roy
Member #2,229
April 2002
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I think I'll follow the cat out of here... ;)

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Neil Roy
Member #2,229
April 2002
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Oh come on. We haven't had a good old fashioned religious flame war in ages.

Yup, the way I prefer it. ;D

...needs some porn in here... ;)

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Neil Roy
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April 2002
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What a . ::)

Okay, lets see if I can dig up something to spark the debates, but don't expect me to argue back. I have my beliefs, everyone knows them in here by now, and I do not enjoy arguing/debating whatever. There's some good arguments in favour of a Creator existing though, one of my favourites is in the following video...

A short explanation... (~9mins)

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A longer explanation... (~40mins)

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And he refutes arguments against this...(~57mins)

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And a really kewl video with a variety of opinions... (~41mins)

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Food for thought, at least I would hope people would consider these arguments before attacking them... yeah, in these forums? I almost laughed out loud at that idea. :)

Anyhow, I have much more I could share, but I already regret posting this so. Don't expect a reply back in the near future. :)

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