You've been smoking chocolate? <3

If it has to be engineered perfection, then the engineering happened in an environment where logical constructs are possible, which is probably an environment that itself has to be engineered to perfection, ad infinitum. Surely to goodness.

So it's clearly just that things somehow naturally work out that way because it's a simple, orthogonal system that can just happen.

I grew up "Christian" and became an atheist once I reached an age where I was old enough to start thinking for myself (between 11 and 14, I think). I think that it's good for you to question everything, even science, and potentially good to be exposed to religion, if only to experience first hand how corrupt and ridiculous it is. I don't even know how you can say an "atheist school". To me that's just a school. Did it teach no god as a religion or just not teach a religion [and teach science AKA knowledge instead]?

Bruce Perry basically explained the very rudimentary logic to contradict your own (that which is the same argument that many religious minds use, which I think demonstrates their own logical fallacies). If there had to have been a "creator" then there had to have also been a creator of the creator, ad infinitum. Effectively, it's an infinite loop, which doesn't make any sense. Even if that were the reality, it contracts every practiced religion that I am aware of, so none of those are optional even if you could somehow justify it to yourself.

Append: And it's not hard to find "flaws" in our universe if you define what a flaw is before you look for it. It's actually quite easy. They are a common occurrence.

Ok, lock the thread, question answered!!

@Bamccaig - it meant no 'carols' at christmas, no references to 'the lord' in any plays or assembly's, I dunno there was just no Jesus. It was because of the Headmaster at the time, who I'm guessing at some point had lost his way with the lord...but I was very, very young!

Seriously, I respect you and all, becuase you're A.cc 'oldskool' but, man, what a weird comment. Perfection? Look at ANYTHING that exists on Earth today...any living thing...it's 1% of anything that EVER lived here!

Seriously mate...shut the shell up.

In fairness, wasn't there one involving the earth sitting on an infinite stack of turtles?

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(The final suggestion is a little more serious than the others )

Not sure if Dizzy ...

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... likes girl or not.

Thank you I guess I might be slightly unable to sleep at the moment. Of course this may have something to do with the fact that last night I was at work till 2:30 making a convex hull triangulator, and then I stayed even later to play the piano, and then I went shopping too.

Um, biology is far from perfect. In fact its all about imperfect. It's how evolution works. Even random mutations play a fair roll in it.

I am perfect. Nothing else is.

Narnia is real. I've been there.

Who does that?

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Nope.

Aw, you're being reasonable. That's no fun.

Thank God, I made a new track!

Where is the sun?

I can't see how anyone could think biology is perfect, other than it manages to work there are a crap load of downsides from the way things currently work, but it manages to balance out, at least in the grand scheme (maybe not for an individual or even an individual species).

I guess it depends on your definition of the word "perfect".

I certainly wouldn't use the official definition of the word to describe it.