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type568
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March 2007
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Yeah well, they have to be gentle at least from time to time to survive as their holy lands are actually puny islands without any resources on them.

LennyLen
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December 2004
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I don't think there's any real substantial hatred or disdain between either country.

I really have no idea, since I also don't live in either country. I do know there are a lot of Chinese (mostly older) who still vehemently hate Japan, mostly because of the massacre of Nanking. Apparently Japan has tried to pretend the whole thing never really happened. One of the Japanese girls my girlfriend works with was telling her that she doesn't understand why Chinese people hate them, as she was taught at school that the only reason Japan invaded China was to save the people from the government. She was also told that it was the Chinese government that massacred the population of Nanking so that they could blame it on the Japanese.

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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There is a lot of racism in China. I'm not sure where it comes from but I don't think it has much to do with America.

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type568
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There is a lot of racism in China. I'm not sure where it comes from but I don't think it has much to do with America.

From: United States

That's all you people care about :D

weapon_S
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October 2006
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I think I chose the wrong word. I'm more horrified than frightened.

Ah, yes. I felt a nauseating disgust when the thought occurred to me each test was perhaps to find a way to use a nuke to eradicate the opponent before they could retaliate. I mean: if it was possible, there probably would be someone willing to pull it off.

Albin Engström
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December 2006
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StevenVI said:

Actually, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel, and put all the uranium we had into the Little Boy bomb.[1] (I believe that all our plutonium was used in the Trinity test and Fat Man bomb, but cannot find a source for it right now.)

Sorry about the miss! Wrote my last post while you posted yours, didn't see it. Anyway: Just getting my information from wikipedia(where else to look? :'(), it just says that the idea was to produce bombs and drop them as soon as they where finished.

StevenVI said:

Where and how?

Wikipedia again, click, under "Depiction and Public response".

I couldn't find a single mention of racicm in that text, even thought I only read most of it I seached the page for possible words that would be significant. Any specific part of the text I should read?

type568 said:

In tourist attractions, you obviously won't encounter such things.. They live from money of the tourists. But there's some deep racial issue there, I could write some long essay to fill my words with arguments. I doubt any will read it though, so..

I doubt there is a conspiracy among all japanese people to somehow distinguish foreigners who are just visiting from those who are staying and ridicule only them :P. I'm sure those who are staying will face problem with getting somewhere to live for example, but I'd like to think such problem arise from the fact that most of the these so called racists think the foreigners aren't familiar with the customs of their society and will be trouble(like not being able to pay the rent) and not because he is of another race.

I don't know.. I just don't buy the whole conspiracy thing.

The fact that a lot of japanese has a thing for american culture(breaking my heart) is another factor that makes it hard for me to accept a relative wide spread dislike for foreigners, peronally I wish they wouldn't accept any foreigners, I don't want their culture to be tainted.

type568 said:

Of course, there are racial issues almost everywhere. The question is official position of a government and various laws to fight it. Personal opinion of specific people, is their personal opinion. If someone hates Jews, Arabs, Russians, Americans or whoever.. It's up to them, yet governments have great effects on these opinions. And while in Germany, there's no remaining(or so it seems to me, or at least that's their official position) of any hatred towards the outer world(to which they considered themselves superior), in Japan it's still there. Also the very few online interactions of people whom I found out later to be Japanese- were full of arrogance.

Japans goverment is publicly(inside japan) strongly talking about how japan is accepting of other cultures(they are in fact bragging about it), while I don't think they are the most accepting country on earth I'm pretty sure they are highly ranked, and the fact that the goverment is using it as propagana proves(to me) that the general social norm is to be accepting of other cultures.

While I have never talked with a japanese person on the net I've met a few when they come here, japan has a direct flight from somewhere in japan to kiruna which is a very popular turist attraction. While I was there I felt the japanese where very nice and talkative, however, I must admit that they seem somewhat ignorant of our technical experise as every japanese who askes if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions on standard operations ;D. hilarious.

type568
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Quote:

racism
▶ noun RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry; anti-Semitism.

© Oxford University Press 1995, 2002

In other words, if one does not think about another race that it is equal, or if he thinks it's people have less rights than your race does- you're a racist.

I couldn't find a single mention of racicm in that text, even thought I only read most of it I seached the page for possible words that would be significant. Any specific part of the text I should read?

Well.. Almost anything there. If your command is organizing systematic consumption of enemy POW, and organizing "comfort houses" for systematic rapes, I pretty much consider that command inhabiting racial prejudices, considering the enemy inhuman.

Various systematic biological experiments with lethal outcome & death in agony also isn't something one would do to someone whom he considers equal.

About the issue on their government level- well, there is a terrible set of issues the foreigners facing, and no laws exist to stop this..

They also do not admit vast majority of their crimes during world war 2. Besides.. The history as it is taught, is corrupted everywhere.. However, in Japan it's usually something beyond imagination and is barely related with our world from time to time. You can find it out yourself by visiting some of their wiki pages related with the wars. You can't really rely on Google Chrome's translator to read the pages, but the outcomes which are typically numbers- you can.

I've more things to add..

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however, I must admit that they seem somewhat ignorant of our technical experise as every japanese who askes if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions on standard operations

They consider you an ape, they just find it not wise to tell out loud, especially if they want you to shoot'em ;)

P.S:
Not everyone, I'm sure there are exceptions. But mostly, it looks like so.

Albin Engström
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type568 said:

Well.. Almost anything there. If your command is organizing systematic consumption of enemy POW, and organizing "comfort houses" for systematic rapes, I pretty much consider that command inhabiting racial prejudices, considering the enemy inhuman.

Various systematic biological experiments with lethal outcome & death in agony also isn't something one would do to someone whom he considers equal.

Like the enemy? I know I would.

type568 said:

They consider you an ape, they just find it not wise to tell out loud, especially if they want you to shoot'em ;)

P.S:
Not everyone, I'm sure there are exceptions. But mostly, it looks like so.

I consider a lot of countries technologically inferior and would probably give random people there the same instructions, but I don't think of them as apes.

Meaning: I don't think thinking someone can't operate a camera because they come from a specific country means you're a racist.

It certainly means you think you are superior in that regard, but not racist.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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Japans goverment is publicly(inside japan) strongly talking about how japan is accepting of other cultures(they are in fact bragging about it)

Probably overcompensating a little too much.

From multiple sources that have lived in Japan, I have heard that the Japanese people who are not in tourist areas are not accepting of foreigners. Don't even have to be white, just not Japanese.

It's even in their anime.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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I was in Okinawa in '77, there were a few out-of-the-way bars you'd go in, and they'd hold their hand up, palm toward you, meaning "You're not welcome here". It was probably to avoid the aggravation of USMC n00bs asking all kinds of stupid questions in a language they only knew a few words to.

On the whole, though, I'd say a large percentage of Japanese people look down on other races, but they keep it to themselves. They hold politeness up as a virtue, probably because they're way too crowded to get along any other way.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Evert
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November 2000
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I have heard that the Japanese people who are not in tourist areas are not accepting of foreigners.

To be fair, I don't think that's specific to Japan.

Dario ff
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Evert said:

To be fair, I don't think that's specific to Japan.

I'm in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists. I don't see how Japanese people would suddenly love them. It's annoying! Specially since you have to pay much more for all the normal groceries because of them.

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type568
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Like the enemy? I know I would.

Nobody did though. The Nazis conduct experiments on Jewish people*(here my statement about racism is correct), and all of the other crime- were not conducted by anyone else. Out of possible relationships to the enemy, it's obvious among the worst ones known to humanity is Red army's relationship towards the Nazis. & here it is actually natural one- the Germans advanced a lot, and dealt insane damage, behaved extremely harsh(as based on the racial prejudices), executed majority of Soviet POWs, etc'..

Yet, the soviet relationship towards the Germans was very gentle and nice relatively to Japanese towards Chinese, who have slaughtered 99% of Chinese POWs(can be found in the above wiki url of Japanese crimes).

Evert said:

To be fair, I don't think that's specific to Japan.

There are such cases in various places, but Japan is a boldest example. And it is based on blood- a Korean can study in a Japanese university just fine, as he looks the same and if raised in Japan speaks Japanese without an accent. The moment he's known not to be Japanese, he'll be hated. There was some movie about this. And overall, there are Japanese who recognize these issues, at least because they're raised in Japanese movies.

Dario ff said:

I'm in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists. I don't see how Japanese people would suddenly love them. It's annoying! Specially since you have to pay much more for all the normal groceries because of them.

Dario, if you'd read at least just few posts here.. -.-
What we're talking, isn't related to tourists, at all. Mostly tourists who are back from Japan are actually astonished by the warm welcome.. While they're in the tourist attraction places, and pay for it. When it gets to something beyond, the issues arise.

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*- & yet it has nothing to do with Goodwin's law, this comparison is relevant. ;)

Dario ff
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type568 said:

Dario, if you'd read at least just few posts here

All those text walls and with this flu that makes me feel like my head is about to explode? No thanks. I'm fine for reading small chunks today.

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type568
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@Dario: Feel well then. :)
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Evert
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Dario ff said:

I'm in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists.

Yes, everyone hates tourists as such (that is to say, when you live somewhere where there are lots of tourists you hate the extra noise they make, the wide-eyed wonder with which they walk out into the middle of the road, the fact that they tend to suddenly stop walking to take a picture of some random building; or, my particular annoyances coming from Amsterdam, tourists getting on bikes and cycling around as though they're on a nice calm field trip as opposed to in the middle of city traffic, and if they don't do that they'll walk on the bike path because they don't realise it's part of the road rather than the pavement. After a while you stop caring when you run into them). However, that doesn't make you a racist.
If you're living somewhere were you never see people who are not like you (say, black, white, asian), then people who look different become a whole lot more scary just because you're unfamiliar with them. That's before anything else is even taken into consideration.

type568
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if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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Is it just me, or is that kid looking straight down her top?

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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I'm sure he is !

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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I didn't notice there was a kid in the picture. :o He must have a better view than we do. :( Yes, we are all looking down her top, including the kid. :D

Do you want to see the pictures I have on my camera?
No... I mean, sure! >_> <_< >_> ... >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_>

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