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		<webMaster>matthew@allegro.cc (Matthew Leverton)</webMaster>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Does this frighten anyone else?</p><p><a href="http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998-by-isao-hashimoto/">http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998-by-isao-hashimoto/</a></p><p>Its a animation of the various nuclear bomb uses from 1945 through 1998.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>We live in a truly unique time.  Never before have we had the power to destroy or save every life on Earth.  Yet petty disputes, ideologies, and misunderstandings still drive so many of the decisions humans make.</p><p>While watching this video, I heard some drunk idiots yelling obscenities at one another outside my apartment.</p><p>It&#39;s a wonder we&#39;ve made it this far.  If we can make it another 100 years, then we will most likely have survived the curve, and will live until the end of the universe.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Mark Oates)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 11:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Our planet survived over 2000 nuclear explosions and you&#39;re still worried ?!<br />Entertaining video by the way. I also like the recap at the end.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>What Mark said. And what Spiderman&#39;s <s>dad</s> uncle said: With a huge power come huge responsibilities.</p><p>PS: Edited for correction
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (GullRaDriel)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873979#target">weapon_S</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>Our planet survived over 2000 nuclear explosions and you&#39;re still worried ?!</p></div></div><p>I think I chose the wrong word. I&#39;m more horrified than frightened. Though the fact that North Korea, Israel, Palestine, and Iran all have their own frightens me a little.</p><p>Everyone knows what the weapons can do, and yet some still think its a good idea to continue testing and stockpiling the darn things.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Thomas, you should have been frightened a little bit more when G.W. Busch was in charge. <br /> <br />He was as crazy as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.  <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /></p><p>Now for who have it and who don&#39;t, let&#39;s imagine the opposite: Israel, Iran, Palestine having nuclear bombs, but not France nor Canada, nor USA. What do you think would happen ? Heh, we would make some research to have our nuclear beast.</p><p>The real problem is not having the bombs. Using them IS the problem.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Just one test before the Nagasaki? They damn rushed! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" /><br />P.S: Thanks, cool.</p><p>Append:
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Our planet survived over 2000 nuclear explosions and you&#39;re still worried ?!<br />Entertaining video by the way. I also like the recap at the end.
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If all of&#39;em occurred at once, it&#39;d make more trouble. Furthermore, vast majority of these tests are tiny yield tests, a lot smaller than even current tactical anti-ship warheads &amp; torpedoes. They also targeted non-urban areas, and didn&#39;t cause massive fires. Any of the two &quot;top&quot; operators have at least x100 of the total yield tested.</p><p>Ooh, and.. It&#39;s a pity they don&#39;t also mark their yield in this animation, and the total yield counter or something.</p><p>Also need music, though that one I&#39;ll fix for myself now. :p
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (type568)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873985#target">type568</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p> They damn rushed!
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Arthur Kalliokoski)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873986#target">Arthur Kalliokoski</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
There was a war on, you know..
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<img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /></p><p>Duh. And most likely I know about it a lot-lot more than you think <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" />
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873985#target">type568</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Just one test before the Nagasaki? They damn rushed! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" />
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Unless you don&#39;t count Hiroshima as a test, then yeah. On the other hand <i>Fatman</i> used implosion design while <i>Trinity</i> and <i>Little boy</i> were gun assembly designs, so Nagasaki was a test on its own - yes cynical as it sounds <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873965#target">Thomas Fjellstrom</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Does this frighten anyone else?
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Not much. 2053 nuclear devices detonated over the course of 50 years, that&#39;s quite sad, but not frightening. On the other hand we know exactly what it can do ergo there&#39;s high chance that nobody sane will ever use them. What frightens me a bit is Israel having a considerable arsenal and various unstable middle-eastern countries trying to obtain them.</p><p>By the way I really recommend British film <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163/">Threads</a>. Anyway, we&#39;re still here after 65 years of nuclear weapons usage and that&#39;s something to say about people around the world.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873988#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Unless you don&#39;t count Hiroshima as a test, then yeah.
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Both were tests at some point.. Although I confused the order, I always do <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/sad.gif" alt=":(" /><br />If U.S. wanted to avoid this disaster they could&#39;ve waited for the Japanese reaction to Soviet assault on Manchuria, which began just in between two of these bombings. Though this Truman guy, only Bush J. was worse -.-<br />&amp; there&#39;s a justification that he wasn&#39;t elected <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /></p><p>Append:
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Not much. 2053 nuclear devices detonated over the course of 50 years, that&#39;s quite sad, but not frightening.
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Also that one, &amp; the fact there were just few constant locations for these tests.. Not various cities <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" />
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Well in his defense, if he wouldn&#39;t use those two bombs many more people would die, because Japanesee imperial army was really dedicated to fight till the last breath. These losses would include soldiers on both sides and civilians. Much more than died in those two cities. And at least the world got to know what those weapons are capable of.</p><p>No doubt that it was a disaster, but it ended the war by breaking Japanesee morale. And those two cities gave us a warning. Without it I dare to say that we could have seen nuclear weapons usage during the Cold war. And mind you there were at least two occasions where we were really close to limited/all out exchange of nukes.</p><p>One was during the notorious Cuban missile crisis. And the other, which was probably more serious, but isn&#39;t that well known was around 1985. At that time there was large combat training of NATO forces going on in the West Germany. The whole event was planned to last four days. It ended suddenly during the day two if I remember correctly. At that time whole western army group of Warszaw pact military forces was on high alert and SS-20 missiles were positioned into attack positions in the woods along whole East Germany - Soviets were really nervous and thought that the exercise is a cover up for attack.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873968#target">Mark Oates</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
It&#39;s a wonder we&#39;ve made it this far.  If we can make it another 100 years, then we will most likely have survived the curve, and will live until the end of the universe.
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Definitely not. Mankind would have to be able to leave the solar system and find a new habitat before the sun blows up. That&#39;s a horribly difficult thing to do, considering we only barely made it to the moon.<br />Also, should we blow ourselves up using nuclear weapons or whatever, some bacteria or fungus or cockroach or whatever might actually somehow survive the thing and keep the ball rolling. It&#39;s our own species we should worry about.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Tobias Dammers)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>[quote]And what Spiderman&#39;s dad said: With a huge power come huge responsibilities.[/quote]<br />Uncle. It was Spiderman&#39;s uncle.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (spellcaster)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873982#target">Thomas Fjellstrom</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>I think I chose the wrong word. I&#39;m more horrified than frightened. Though the fact that North Korea, Israel, Palestine, and Iran all have their own frightens me a little.</p></div></div><p>
Err. Of the ones you listed, only Israel and North Korea actually have any nukes. And the latter don&#39;t even need them - they have Seoul within artillery range.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873988#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>By the way I really recommend British film Threads.</p></div></div><p>
Seconded. Also: <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_War_Game">The War Game</a> and <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085404/">The Day After</a>.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873991#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>And mind you there were at least two occasions where we were really close to limited/all out exchange of nukes.</p><p>One was during the notorious Cuban missile crisis. And the other, which was probably more serious, but isn&#39;t that well known was around 1985. At that time there was large combat training of NATO forces going on in the West Germany.</p></div></div><p>
IMO, the <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov">Oko incident</a> was even scarier...</p><p>Anyway. Neat video, even if the sound got distorted at times. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /></p><p>[EDIT]<br />... and now I have the urge to play <a href="http://www.introversion.co.uk/defcon/">DefCon</a>.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (gnolam)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873994#target">gnolam</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
IMO, the <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov">Oko incident</a> was even scarier...
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Ooops, didn&#39;t know about that. That sure sounds scary.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (OICW)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873968#target">Mark Oates</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
We live in a truly unique time. 
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The most unique in it, is the fact that vast majority of FB &amp; LJ(&amp; others) users are still alive, mind you.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873991#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Well in his defense, if he wouldn&#39;t use those two bombs many more people would die, because Japanesee imperial army was really dedicated to fight till the last breath. These losses would include soldiers on both sides and civilians. Much more than died in those two cities. And at least the world got to know what those weapons are capable of.
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Well, it hard to say.. Yes &amp; no. The fashioned &quot;end-of-world-war&quot; taught in the U.S. schools, is the one stated above, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria_(1945)">however</a>..</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873988#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
By the way I really recommend British film Threads.
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Seconded. Also: The War Game [secure.wikimedia.org] and The Day After [www.imdb.com].
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IMO, the Oko incident [secure.wikimedia.org] was even scarier...
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On September 26, 1983, Stanislav Petrov, a lieutenant colonel in the Soviet Air Defence Forces, was the officer on duty at the Serpukhov-15 bunker near Moscow which housed the command center of the Soviet early warning system, code-named Oko.[5] Petrov&#39;s responsibilities included observing the satellite early warning network and notifying his superiors of any impending nuclear missile attack against the Soviet Union. If notification was received from the early warning systems that inbound missiles had been detected, the Soviet Union&#39;s strategy was an immediate nuclear counter-attack against the United States (launch on warning), specified in the doctrine of mutual assured destruction.[1]<br />Shortly after midnight, the bunker&#39;s computers reported that an intercontinental ballistic missile was heading toward the Soviet Union from the US.[6] Petrov considered the detection a computer error, since a United States first-strike nuclear attack would be likely to involve hundreds of simultaneous missile launches in order to disable any Soviet means for a counterattack. Furthermore, the satellite system&#39;s reliability had been questioned in the past.[7] Petrov dismissed the warning as a false alarm, though accounts of the event differ as to whether he notified his superiors[1] or not[6] after he concluded that the computer detections were false and that no missile had been launched. Later, the computers identified four additional missiles in the air, all directed towards the Soviet Union. Petrov again suspected that the computer system was malfunctioning, despite having no other source of information to confirm his suspicions. The Soviet Union&#39;s land radar was incapable of detecting missiles beyond the horizon,[7] and waiting for it to positively identify the threat would limit the Soviet Union&#39;s response time to minutes.
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&amp; they gave his Peace Nobel prize to Obama, for sending extra troops to Afghanistan <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873994#target">gnolam</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
... and now I have the urge to play DefCon [www.introversion.co.uk].
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Fun game, pity.. It&#39;s very unrealistic. Although I love the fact, that overall it&#39;s war between continents, yet Russia is a separate one <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" />
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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... and now I have the urge to play <a href="http://www.introversion.co.uk/defcon/">DefCon</a>.
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Don&#39;t tell me... </p><p>Edit:<br />type568: just a little warning, I&#39;m not really oversensitive and there&#39;s a lot I can take, but Threads maybe the first film after which I was feeling sick (that&#39;s why I recommend it).</p><p>By the way, I know about combat operations going on in the Manchuria. The WWII has several ends. May the 8th in the Europe, then the August in the Pacific theater and then when the Great patriotic war officialy ended (well I guess it was the same date as in the European front was closed). Anyway you can always say that Manchuria was just a police action, just like the Korea... <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" />
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873998#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
type568: just a little warning, I&#39;m not really oversensitive and there&#39;s a lot I can take, but Threads maybe the first film after which I was feeling sick (that&#39;s why I recommend it).
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Sure.. Thanks.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
By the way, I know about combat operations going on in the Manchuria. The WWII has several ends. May the 8th in the Europe, then the August in the Pacific theater and then when the Great patriotic war officialy ended (well I guess it was the same date as in the European front was closed). Anyway you can always say that Manchuria was just a police action, just like the Korea... 
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Anyone can say anything. Overall the World War 2, has ended with the Japanese surrender on whatever that Warship name was, European theater is European theater, it has ended earlier. However, the strategic damage of that war, was a lot greater than of the bombings, the territory, the prisoners of war taken, the fact USSR is no longer neutral, etc&#39;..</p><p>We really don&#39;t have the tools if Japan would or would not surrender if not one of these factors(assault &amp; bombings).</p><p>Furthermore(wiki):</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
The rapid defeat of Japan&#39;s Kwantung Army was a significant factor in the Japanese surrender and the termination of World War II.[1][2][5][6]
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/873991#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>Well in his defense, if he wouldn&#39;t use those two bombs many more people would die, because Japanesee imperial army was really dedicated to fight till the last breath. These losses would include soldiers on both sides and civilians. Much more than died in those two cities. And at least the world got to know what those weapons are capable of.</p></div></div><p> Why does americans always defend the nukes with that statement?</p><p>They also like to add that their government didn&#39;t know the effects of the bombs, which makes them look like idiots since there was a test before they dropped the nukes and I&#39;m pretty sure even a child could analyze the result and realize the effect if they where to drop it on a <span class="cuss"><span>fuck</span></span>ing city.</p><p>The idea that the American government was fair in dropping the second nuke can be discussed, but the fact that the Japanese government didn&#39;t realize what had happened for a long time and that the American government&#39;s plan was to drop as many nukes as possible until japan surrendered without waiting for respone only makes me think they just wanted to show of their power and crush the japanese.</p><p>The fact that the effects of the bombings were censored(oops, I meant classified) for both the american and japanese people proves(to me) that they themself didn&#39;t think their actions were as noble as they claim them to be. </p><p>There&#39;s nothing wrong about being selfish in war, killing a lot of innocent japanese people is totally ok(sort of..) if it has some purpose like saving money or making you look powerfull, what&#39;s not ok is acting like you&#39;re a fantastic country that saved the world and always thinks about everyone else. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" /></p><p>My government is a joke but at least they don&#39;t try to make themselves look good.
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Iran is going to have them very soon, I don&#39;t think there&#39;s any doubt about that.<br />Additionally, there&#39;s nothing to worry about Israel (allegedly) having nuclear weapons as long as none of its enemies have them, since Israel will obviously not use its nukes against anyone aside from its nearby enemies, in which case you have to worry only if there&#39;s any form of retaliation against the world by another country that has been nuked by Israel (which either way will only use nukes in a &quot;Samson&#39;s Option&quot; case, so as long as Israel isn&#39;t being destroyed there&#39;s no problem.)</p><p>Personally, I find the whole subject to be a little distressing but unavoidable due to human nature (and political state of the world), so it&#39;s not like there&#39;s much choice here.
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There&#39;s nothing wrong about being selfish in war, killing a lot of innocent japanese people is totally ok(sort of..) if it has some purpose like saving money or making you look powerfull, what&#39;s not ok is acting like you&#39;re a fantastic country that saved the world and always thinks about everyone else. 
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Ya.. I do agree with the bombings, at least with the first one but the justifications are kind of joke. The Japanese didn&#39;t consider anyone but themselves humans, and believed for some reason that half the globe belongs to them.. 40kt makes some good tools to persuade them being wrong, in my eyes..</p><p>Append:
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Iran is going to have them very soon, I don&#39;t think there&#39;s any doubt about that.
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However in my opinion the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was one of the factors we&#39;ve made it this far without being reduced to cinder.
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Hm. Agreed.. Overall that terrible war gave some nice experience to Humanity &amp; perhaps we should thank Hitler &amp; Hirohito for giving us this experience before the nuclear age has actually started.</p><p>P.S:<br />memento mori? <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/huh.gif" alt="???" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (LennyLen)</author>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p><i>Memento mori</i> - Latin for &quot;remember you are mortal&quot; or &quot;remember you must die&quot; i.e. we were given more than fine example of what could happen if we know that nuclear weapon can do big crater in the desert. Because I hardly doubt anyone expected all the sideeffects.</p><p>Edit:
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And how many of those were detonated in the South Pacific because France was too scared to test them in their own back yard?
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I&#39;m pretty sure those are accounted in the video. Anyway seems like I&#39;ve forgot to add that while not good on its own, we can be quite happy that this was in the course of 50 years and not 50 seconds.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (GullRaDriel)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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For a moment I thought you were referring to that retarded thing in... well, you might know what I&#39;m referring to.</p><p>Anyway, I always found it a bit sad how the government told everyone to just duck under something in case of a nuclear attack. Like if that was going to prevent something. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" />
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874011#target">Albin Engström</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>American government&#39;s plan was to drop as many nukes as possible until japan surrendered</p></div></div><p>Actually, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel, and put all the uranium we had into the Little Boy bomb.<span class="ref"><sup>[<a href="#">1</a>]</sup></span>  (I believe that all our plutonium was used in the Trinity test and Fat Man bomb, but cannot find a source for it right now.)</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>the effects of the bombings were censored</p></div></div><p>Where and how?
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (StevenVI)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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For a moment I thought you were referring to that retarded thing in... well, you might know what I&#39;m referring to.
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Nope, I don&#39;t. Probably for the best <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Dario ff said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Anyway, I always found it a bit sad how the government told everyone to just duck under something in case of a nuclear attack. Like if that was going to prevent something. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" />
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Sadly it&#39;s the only thing - apart from staring directly into the flash - you can do. Duck and cover and prey. If you are lucky<span class="ref"><sup>[<a href="#">1</a>]</sup></span> you will survive the initial blast i.e. the heat and shock wave. If you are out of the vaporization zone there&#39;s a chance that you won&#39;t be buried under the debris in which case you could get out of there before it starts &quot;snowing&quot;. This way you can get out with minimum irradiation coming just from the blast - how much depends on how far you are from the epicentre and how much things were in-between.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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Good, and it&#39;s for for the best. If you&#39;re curious, here&#39;s the link to a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUbYRW8AIrM">youtube video</a>. I know a lot of people don&#39;t read comments, but whatever you do, don&#39;t scroll down there. You&#39;ve been warned. You might lose some IQ points.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>Sadly it&#39;s the only thing - apart from staring directly into the flash - you can do. Duck and cover and prey. If you are lucky[1] you will survive the initial blast i.e. the heat and shock wave.</p></div></div><p>
Right--if you&#39;re interested, here&#39;s the <a href="http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p912.htm">Nuclear War Survival Skills Manual</a>. It&#39;s kind of interesting to read some of its chapters, and the results shown of various tests on how people would react after years in a shelter in case of a nuclear war.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Dario ff)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Neil Walker)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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The Japanese didn&#39;t consider anyone but themselves humans, and believed for some reason that half the globe belongs to them.. 40kt makes some good tools to persuade them being wrong, in my eyes..</p></div></div><p> Really? I&#39;ve never heard anything about that, you&#39;d think that such strong hatred for others would preserve and show itself even a little, sure they traditionally have strong feelings against their enemies, but I&#39;ve never heard of anything racist that would lead to extermination.<br />I&#39;ve read a lot about how japanese deny certain services to foreigners(which I think is ok since foreigners probably are ignorant of their customs which are very important) and say all kinds of racist things, but I know A LOT of people who have visited japan from time to time who haven&#39;t experienced such things <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" />.</p><p>The hatred for the japanese can still be felt in america where(according to wikipedia) 13% of the population wanted the total extermination of the japanese during the war 44. While I&#39;m sure the figure has gone down significantly I know an american who knows several people who &quot;don&#39;t like the japanese&quot; and &quot;hope they don&#39;t come here&quot;.</p><p>Then again, perhaps those who hate america is more of the silent type.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874016#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>Ablin: and how did you came to the conclusion I came from the United States of America?</p></div></div><p> I unconsciously thought of you as an american because most people that say that are americans, but a lot of people who aren&#39;t americans also say that(like my dad) so I don&#39;t have a valid reason for thinking you&#39;re american. My thoughts of the statement in question quickly took over and it was never really about you even though I made it sound like it was.</p><p>Talking on a.cc is the almost the only speech training I get so forgive me for being bad at expressing myself. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">OICW said:</div><div class="quote"><p>However in my opinion the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was one of the factors we&#39;ve made it this far without being reduced to cinder. See most of the safety precautions etc. were adopted after some disaster has happened (look at the air transportation as an example). Without (and that&#39;s my opinion) Hiroshima and Nagasaki all expectations about nuclear weapons would be theorethical i.e. everybody would know that it could level the whole city to dust, but wouldn&#39;t know how horrible sideeffects it has - it was a kind of memento mori.</p></div></div><p> I don&#39;t know anything about japans influence on the war, I never imagined them to be strong enought to conquer the world :S (btw didn&#39;t the USA have the upper hand?). I agree, someone had to be first, and &quot;better them than us&quot; is most of the time a good argument. But did anyone else have nukes? or even know about them?
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Arthur Kalliokoski)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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Talking on a.cc is the almost the only speech training I get so forgive me for being bad at expressing myself. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" />
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Don&#39;t worry, there are times I don&#39;t express myself good as well.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Albin Engrström said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
But did anyone else have nukes? or even know about them?
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At that time nobody, just the USA and only three of them. I&#39;ll try to express myself better - it was a lesson for the whole world. Thousands had to die or suffer greatly because of those two bombings, but without it, nobody in the whole world wouldn&#39;t knew exactly how scary nuclear weapons are. In my opinion that knowledge was a key to our survival, yet many people had to pay the price.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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Really? I&#39;ve never heard anything about that, you&#39;d think that such strong hatred for others would preserve and show itself even a little, sure they traditionally have strong feelings against their enemies, but I&#39;ve never heard of anything racist that would lead to extermination.
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes</a></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
I&#39;ve read a lot about how japanese deny certain services to foreigners(which I think is ok since foreigners probably are ignorant of their customs which are very important) and say all kinds of racist things, but I know A LOT of people who have visited japan from time to time who haven&#39;t experienced such things .
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In tourist attractions, you obviously won&#39;t encounter such things.. They live from money of the tourists. But there&#39;s some deep racial issue there, I could write some long essay to fill my words with arguments. I doubt any will read it though, so..</p><p>However, I&#39;d suggest you <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_and_Trembling_(film)">this</a> movie.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
The hatred for the japanese can still be felt in america where(according to wikipedia) 13% of the population wanted the total extermination of the japanese during the war 44. While I&#39;m sure the figure has gone down significantly I know an american who knows several people who &quot;don&#39;t like the japanese&quot; and &quot;hope they don&#39;t come here&quot;.
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Of course, there are racial issues almost everywhere. The question is official position of a government and various laws to fight it. Personal opinion of specific people, is their personal opinion. If someone hates Jews, Arabs, Russians, Americans or whoever.. It&#39;s up to them, yet governments have great effects on these opinions. And while in Germany, there&#39;s no remaining(or so it seems to me, or at least that&#39;s their official position) of any hatred towards the outer world(to which they considered themselves superior), in Japan it&#39;s still there. Also the very few online interactions of people whom I found out later to be Japanese- were full of arrogance.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874033#target">OICW</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
 In my opinion that knowledge was a key to our survival, yet many people had to pay the price.
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Tokyo firebombings could kill overnight more than one of these nukes.. Or at least comparable numbers. And who knows how long would the war last without&#39;em.. Perhaps that experience came in just as a free bonus after the overall insane cost of whole WW2.</p><p>Append:<br />Threads are downloading slow <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/sad.gif" alt=":(" /><br />/But: <i>me is watching &quot;The Next Day&quot;, can&#39;t wait for the first nukes to land :D</i><br />Append1:<br />&quot;City of Moscow is being evacuated. City of Moscow is being evacuated.&quot; <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /><br />Append2:<br />&quot;.. in an event of a probable attack ..&quot;<br />Append3:<br />&quot;300 nuclear charges were dropped on Soviet forces..&quot; <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" /><br />Append4:<br />&quot;3,2..  <b>*ICBM launch showed</b>*&quot;<br />P.S: I suggest this movie to everyone <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" /><br />Append5:<br />Actually it&#39;s not funny absolutely <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" />
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</p></div></div><p>If they don&#39;t have any now, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Statistics">they have had them</a>, and can probably <i>get</i> them.</p><p>And thats a pretty poor excuse, North Korea doesn&#39;t need inter continental ballistic missiles either if their only target was South Korea, yet they have a very long term development project, with the latest ones able to reach the US, and most of Europe.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Thomas Fjellstrom)</author>
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I am unaware of any racism or hatred between the USA and Japan in modern day times.
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Well, there&#39;s certainly hate from Japan to USA. But what do you expect if they nuked your country <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" /> My Japanese teacher told us something that happened to him when he was in Japan. He was walking in the city and some youngers started to insult him, thinking he was American. After he told them he was Spanish they went with him friendly and invited him to take some drink with them <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Oscar Giner)</author>
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If they don&#39;t have any now, they have had them, and can probably get them.</p></div></div><p>
No. The only nation that has ever had nuclear weapons and given them up<span class="ref"><sup>[<a href="#">1</a>]</sup></span> is South Africa. Iran naturally wants them, and has the know-how and raw materials to acquire them one day, but <i>Palestine</i>? What are you on?
</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>And thats a pretty poor excuse, North Korea doesn&#39;t need inter continental ballistic missiles either if their only target was South Korea, yet they have a very long term development project, with the latest ones able to reach the US, and most of Europe.</p></div></div><p>
Correct. They don&#39;t need them as a deterrent. They&#39;re a useful diplomatic bargaining tool though.
</p><div class="ref-block"><h2>References</h2><ol><li>Discounting the republics that formed from the breakup of the Soviet Union. Those weapons were arguably never theirs, and were repatriated to Russia. If they were to be counted as nuclear powers, so would every country where foreign nuclear weapons had ever been posted.</li></ol></div></div>]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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USA basically wanted
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Just these three words, make poor sense to me.. The U.S. isn&#39;t a person to want or not want something. There were people who did &amp; those did not want the war. Those weapon manufacturers &amp; bankers praised war, and the longer &amp; the more global it is- the better.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
First big boom. The USA apparently told them again to surrender and they refused. Second big boom. Surrender. I consider it a valid response.
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Since there were like 2-3 days between these booms, and these weapons were literally new- it&#39;s absolute nonsense. There was not enough time given to realize what has happened after the first boom. Besides, as always- Manchurian offensive is ignored as their argument for a surrender.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
but I&#39;ve never gotten the impression that it&#39;s a country-wide consensus.
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Out of my current understanding of current state of things, Japan has this towards literally the rest of the world. Not specifically the U.S..</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
What does frighten me are anti-American nations having nuclear weapons.
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Uh?</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874106#target">Thomas Fjellstrom</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
If they don&#39;t have any now, they have had them [en.wikipedia.org], and can probably get them.
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Wiki: .. these figures are estimates, in some cases quite unreliable estimates.</p><p><img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/undecided.gif" alt=":-/" /> Besides, as I stated above, it really stinks with upcoming bombings of Iranian nuclear objects this summer, why else would they drag their fleet &amp; aircraft around.. &amp; apply various embargoes vs Iran..</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874110#target">gnolam</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
but Palestine? What are you on?
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Nuclear armed Palestine is a good joke, really <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" /></p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">Quote:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Discounting the republics that formed from the breakup of the Soviet Union. Those weapons were arguably never theirs, and were repatriated to Russia. If they were to be counted as nuclear powers, so would every country where foreign nuclear weapons had ever been posted.
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There are rumors, and I won&#39;t be any surprised if it&#39;s tree- that many of&#39;em went missing.... Nor will I be shocked to find out India Pakistan &amp; North Korea had some use for&#39;em. Just the numbers were really <b>insane</b>, 40 000+(most were in Russia obviously, but still) strategic warheads..</p><p>Append:
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Because obviously I&#39;d hate to miss out the unique chance to witness a nuclear blast. Plus in case of global thermonuclear warfare I&#39;d really hate to survive the initial attack.
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<img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /></p><p>Although, I doubt they would any bother sending it in waves or whatsover. Not until there are any real successful tests at interrupting a flat trajectory ballistic missile traveling 20 times the speed of some bullet.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 04:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (LennyLen)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 04:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Mark Oates)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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Australians wouldn&#39;t give up.<span class="ref"><sup>[<a href="#">1</a>]</sup></span> <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cool.gif" alt="8-)" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Dario ff)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 04:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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</p></div></div><p>Did you ever watch the scene in <i>The Last Samurai</i> where they were making a deal at the dinner table to have Aldridge train Japanese troops?  So polite, yet conniving in their private conversation in Japanese.  Don&#39;t get me wrong, I&#39;m a gaijin rice chaser, but kitty has claws.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Arthur Kalliokoski)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 05:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (type568)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 05:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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There is a lot of racism in China. I&#39;m not sure where it comes from but I don&#39;t think it has much to do with America.
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From: United States</p><p>That&#39;s all you people care about <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (type568)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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Ah, yes. I felt a nauseating disgust when the thought occurred to me each test was perhaps to find a way to use a nuke to eradicate the opponent before they could retaliate. I mean: if it was possible, there probably would be someone willing to pull it off.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes</a></p></div></div><p> I couldn&#39;t find a single  mention of racicm in that text, even thought I only read most of it I seached the page for possible words that would be significant. Any specific part of the text I should read?</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">type568 said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
In tourist attractions, you obviously won&#39;t encounter such things.. They live from money of the tourists. But there&#39;s some deep racial issue there, I could write some long essay to fill my words with arguments. I doubt any will read it though, so..</p></div></div><p> I doubt there is a conspiracy among all japanese people to somehow distinguish foreigners who are just visiting from those who are staying and ridicule only them <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/tongue.gif" alt=":P" />. I&#39;m sure those who are staying will face problem with getting somewhere to live for example, but I&#39;d like to think such problem arise from the fact that most of the these so called racists think the foreigners aren&#39;t familiar with the customs of their society and will be trouble(like not being able to pay the rent) and not because he is of another race.</p><p>I don&#39;t know.. I just don&#39;t buy the whole conspiracy thing.</p><p>The fact that a lot of japanese has a thing for american culture(breaking my heart) is another factor that makes it hard for me to accept a relative wide spread dislike for foreigners, peronally I wish they wouldn&#39;t accept any foreigners, I don&#39;t want their culture to be tainted.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title">type568 said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Of course, there are racial issues almost everywhere. The question is official position of a government and various laws to fight it. Personal opinion of specific people, is their personal opinion. If someone hates Jews, Arabs, Russians, Americans or whoever.. It&#39;s up to them, yet governments have great effects on these opinions. And while in Germany, there&#39;s no remaining(or so it seems to me, or at least that&#39;s their official position) of any hatred towards the outer world(to which they considered themselves superior), in Japan it&#39;s still there. Also the very few online interactions of people whom I found out later to be Japanese- were full of arrogance.</p></div></div><p> Japans goverment is publicly(inside japan) strongly talking about how japan is accepting of other cultures(they are in fact bragging about it), while I don&#39;t think they are the most accepting country on earth I&#39;m pretty sure they are highly ranked, and the fact that the goverment is using it as propagana proves(to me) that the general social norm is to be accepting of other cultures.</p><p>While I have never talked with a japanese person on the net I&#39;ve met a few when they come here, japan has a direct flight from somewhere in japan to kiruna which is a very popular turist attraction. While I was there I felt the japanese where very nice and talkative, however, I must admit that they seem somewhat ignorant of our technical experise as every japanese who askes if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions on standard operations <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" />. hilarious.
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racism<br />▶  noun RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry; anti-Semitism. </p><p>© Oxford University Press 1995, 2002
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In other words, if one does not think about another race that it is equal, or if he thinks it&#39;s people have less rights than your race does- you&#39;re a racist.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874266#target">Albin Engström</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
I couldn&#39;t find a single mention of racicm in that text, even thought I only read most of it I seached the page for possible words that would be significant. Any specific part of the text I should read?
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Well.. Almost anything there. If your command is organizing systematic consumption of enemy POW, and organizing &quot;comfort houses&quot; for systematic rapes, I pretty much consider that command inhabiting racial prejudices, considering the enemy inhuman.</p><p>Various systematic biological experiments with lethal outcome &amp; death in agony also isn&#39;t something one would do to someone whom he considers equal.</p><p>About the issue on their government level- well, there is a terrible set of issues the foreigners facing, and no laws exist to stop this..</p><p>They also do not admit vast majority of their crimes during world war 2. Besides.. The history as it is taught, is corrupted everywhere.. However, in Japan it&#39;s usually something beyond imagination and is barely related with our world from time to time. You can find it out yourself by visiting some of their wiki pages related with the wars. You can&#39;t really rely on Google Chrome&#39;s translator to read the pages, but the outcomes which are typically numbers- you can. </p><p>I&#39;ve more things to add..</p><p>Append:
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however, I must admit that they seem somewhat ignorant of our technical experise as every japanese who askes if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions on standard operations 
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They consider you an ape, they just find it not wise to tell out loud, especially if they want you to shoot&#39;em <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" /></p><p>P.S:<br />Not everyone, I&#39;m sure there are exceptions. But mostly, it looks like so.
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874357#target">Thomas Fjellstrom</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>I have heard that the Japanese people who are not in tourist areas are not accepting of foreigners.</p></div></div><p>
To be fair, I don&#39;t think that&#39;s specific to Japan.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Evert)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874384#target">Evert</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>To be fair, I don&#39;t think that&#39;s specific to Japan.</p></div></div><p>
I&#39;m in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists. I don&#39;t see how Japanese people would suddenly love them. It&#39;s annoying! Specially since you have to pay much more for all the normal groceries because of them.
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (Dario ff)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874349#target">Albin Engström</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
Like the enemy? I know I would.
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Nobody did though. The Nazis conduct experiments on Jewish people*(here my statement about racism is correct), and all of the other crime- were <b>not</b> conducted by anyone else. Out of possible relationships to the enemy, it&#39;s obvious among the worst ones known to humanity is Red army&#39;s relationship towards the Nazis. &amp; here it is actually natural one- the Germans advanced a lot, and dealt insane damage, behaved extremely harsh(as based on the racial prejudices), executed majority of Soviet POWs, etc&#39;.. </p><p>Yet, the soviet relationship towards the Germans was very gentle and nice relatively to Japanese towards Chinese, who have slaughtered <b>99%</b> of Chinese POWs(can be found in the above wiki url of Japanese crimes).</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874384#target">Evert</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
To be fair, I don&#39;t think that&#39;s specific to Japan.
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There are such cases in various places, but Japan is a boldest example. And it <b>is</b> based on blood- a Korean can study in a Japanese university just fine, as he looks the same and if raised in Japan speaks Japanese without an accent. The moment he&#39;s known not to be Japanese, he&#39;ll be hated. There was some movie about this. And overall, there are Japanese who recognize these issues, at least because they&#39;re raised in Japanese movies.</p><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874391#target">Dario ff</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>
I&#39;m in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists. I don&#39;t see how Japanese people would suddenly love them. It&#39;s annoying! Specially since you have to pay much more for all the normal groceries because of them.
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Dario, if you&#39;d read at least just few posts here.. -.-<br />What we&#39;re talking, isn&#39;t related to tourists, at all. Mostly tourists who are back from Japan are actually astonished by the warm welcome.. While they&#39;re in the tourist attraction places, and pay for it. When it gets to something beyond, the issues arise.</p><p>---</p><p>*- &amp; yet it has nothing to do with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin&#39;s_law">Goodwin&#39;s law</a>, this comparison is relevant. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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All those text walls and with this flu that makes me feel like my head is about to explode? No thanks. I&#39;m fine for reading small chunks today.
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>@Dario: Feel well then. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/smiley.gif" alt=":)" /><br />Append: When the typing performance approaches the reading speed, various issues arise..
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (type568)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/874391#target">Dario ff</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>I&#39;m in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists.</p></div></div><p>
Yes, everyone hates tourists as such (that is to say, when you live somewhere where there are lots of tourists you hate the extra noise they make, the wide-eyed wonder with which they walk out into the middle of the road, the fact that they tend to suddenly stop walking to take a picture of some random building; or, my particular annoyances coming from Amsterdam, tourists getting on bikes and cycling around as though they&#39;re on a nice calm field trip as opposed to in the middle of city traffic, and if they don&#39;t do that they&#39;ll walk on the bike path because they don&#39;t realise it&#39;s part of the road rather than the pavement. After a while you stop caring when you run into them). However, that doesn&#39;t make you a racist.<br />If you&#39;re living somewhere were you never see people who are not like you (say, black, white, asian), then people who look different become a whole lot more scary just because you&#39;re unfamiliar with them. That&#39;s before anything else is even taken into consideration.
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (type568)</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>I didn&#39;t notice there was a kid in the picture. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/shocked.gif" alt=":o" /> He must have a better view than we do. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/sad.gif" alt=":(" /> Yes, we are all looking down her top, including the kid. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" /></p><p><i>Do you want to see the pictures I have on my camera?</i><br /><i><s>No...</s> I mean, sure!</i> <tt>&gt;_&gt; &lt;_&lt; &gt;_&gt;</tt> ... <tt>&gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt; &gt;_&gt;</tt>
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (bamccaig)</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><p>Epic derail! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /> I mean, it started out with a Japanese work of art <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/lipsrsealed.gif" alt=":-X" />
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		<author>no-reply@allegro.cc (weapon_S)</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="mockup v2"><div class="quote_container"><div class="title"><a href="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/604531/875159#target">weapon_S</a> said:</div><div class="quote"><p>Epic derail! <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/grin.gif" alt=";D" /> I mean, it started out with a Japanese work of art <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/lipsrsealed.gif" alt=":-X" /></p></div></div><p>
Then I think we&#39;re still <a href="http://static.allegro.cc/image/cache/b/7/b708f1182067da5804f1ff8f3918343d.jpg">on topic</a>. <img src="http://www.allegro.cc/forums/smileys/wink.gif" alt=";)" />
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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