Does this frighten anyone else?
http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998-by-isao-hashimoto/
Its a animation of the various nuclear bomb uses from 1945 through 1998.
We live in a truly unique time. Never before have we had the power to destroy or save every life on Earth. Yet petty disputes, ideologies, and misunderstandings still drive so many of the decisions humans make.
While watching this video, I heard some drunk idiots yelling obscenities at one another outside my apartment.
It's a wonder we've made it this far. If we can make it another 100 years, then we will most likely have survived the curve, and will live until the end of the universe.
Our planet survived over 2000 nuclear explosions and you're still worried ?!
Entertaining video by the way. I also like the recap at the end.
What Mark said. And what Spiderman's dad uncle said: With a huge power come huge responsibilities.
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Our planet survived over 2000 nuclear explosions and you're still worried ?!
I think I chose the wrong word. I'm more horrified than frightened. Though the fact that North Korea, Israel, Palestine, and Iran all have their own frightens me a little.
Everyone knows what the weapons can do, and yet some still think its a good idea to continue testing and stockpiling the darn things.
Thomas, you should have been frightened a little bit more when G.W. Busch was in charge.
He was as crazy as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. 
Now for who have it and who don't, let's imagine the opposite: Israel, Iran, Palestine having nuclear bombs, but not France nor Canada, nor USA. What do you think would happen ? Heh, we would make some research to have our nuclear beast.
The real problem is not having the bombs. Using them IS the problem.
Just one test before the Nagasaki? They damn rushed! 
P.S: Thanks, cool.
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Our planet survived over 2000 nuclear explosions and you're still worried ?!
Entertaining video by the way. I also like the recap at the end.
If all of'em occurred at once, it'd make more trouble. Furthermore, vast majority of these tests are tiny yield tests, a lot smaller than even current tactical anti-ship warheads & torpedoes. They also targeted non-urban areas, and didn't cause massive fires. Any of the two "top" operators have at least x100 of the total yield tested.
Ooh, and.. It's a pity they don't also mark their yield in this animation, and the total yield counter or something.
Also need music, though that one I'll fix for myself now. :p
They damn rushed!
There was a war on, you know...
There was a war on, you know..

Duh. And most likely I know about it a lot-lot more than you think
Just one test before the Nagasaki? They damn rushed!
Unless you don't count Hiroshima as a test, then yeah. On the other hand Fatman used implosion design while Trinity and Little boy were gun assembly designs, so Nagasaki was a test on its own - yes cynical as it sounds 
Does this frighten anyone else?
Not much. 2053 nuclear devices detonated over the course of 50 years, that's quite sad, but not frightening. On the other hand we know exactly what it can do ergo there's high chance that nobody sane will ever use them. What frightens me a bit is Israel having a considerable arsenal and various unstable middle-eastern countries trying to obtain them.
By the way I really recommend British film Threads. Anyway, we're still here after 65 years of nuclear weapons usage and that's something to say about people around the world.
Unless you don't count Hiroshima as a test, then yeah.
Both were tests at some point.. Although I confused the order, I always do 
If U.S. wanted to avoid this disaster they could've waited for the Japanese reaction to Soviet assault on Manchuria, which began just in between two of these bombings. Though this Truman guy, only Bush J. was worse -.-
& there's a justification that he wasn't elected 
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Not much. 2053 nuclear devices detonated over the course of 50 years, that's quite sad, but not frightening.
Also that one, & the fact there were just few constant locations for these tests.. Not various cities
Well in his defense, if he wouldn't use those two bombs many more people would die, because Japanesee imperial army was really dedicated to fight till the last breath. These losses would include soldiers on both sides and civilians. Much more than died in those two cities. And at least the world got to know what those weapons are capable of.
No doubt that it was a disaster, but it ended the war by breaking Japanesee morale. And those two cities gave us a warning. Without it I dare to say that we could have seen nuclear weapons usage during the Cold war. And mind you there were at least two occasions where we were really close to limited/all out exchange of nukes.
One was during the notorious Cuban missile crisis. And the other, which was probably more serious, but isn't that well known was around 1985. At that time there was large combat training of NATO forces going on in the West Germany. The whole event was planned to last four days. It ended suddenly during the day two if I remember correctly. At that time whole western army group of Warszaw pact military forces was on high alert and SS-20 missiles were positioned into attack positions in the woods along whole East Germany - Soviets were really nervous and thought that the exercise is a cover up for attack.
It's a wonder we've made it this far. If we can make it another 100 years, then we will most likely have survived the curve, and will live until the end of the universe.
Definitely not. Mankind would have to be able to leave the solar system and find a new habitat before the sun blows up. That's a horribly difficult thing to do, considering we only barely made it to the moon.
Also, should we blow ourselves up using nuclear weapons or whatever, some bacteria or fungus or cockroach or whatever might actually somehow survive the thing and keep the ball rolling. It's our own species we should worry about.
[quote]And what Spiderman's dad said: With a huge power come huge responsibilities.[/quote]
Uncle. It was Spiderman's uncle.
I think I chose the wrong word. I'm more horrified than frightened. Though the fact that North Korea, Israel, Palestine, and Iran all have their own frightens me a little.
Err. Of the ones you listed, only Israel and North Korea actually have any nukes. And the latter don't even need them - they have Seoul within artillery range.
By the way I really recommend British film Threads.
Seconded. Also: The War Game and The Day After.
And mind you there were at least two occasions where we were really close to limited/all out exchange of nukes.
One was during the notorious Cuban missile crisis. And the other, which was probably more serious, but isn't that well known was around 1985. At that time there was large combat training of NATO forces going on in the West Germany.
IMO, the Oko incident was even scarier...
Anyway. Neat video, even if the sound got distorted at times. 
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... and now I have the urge to play DefCon.
IMO, the Oko incident was even scarier...
Ooops, didn't know about that. That sure sounds scary.
spellcaster: Hell, now I remember. I am sorry & I fixed it.
We live in a truly unique time.
The most unique in it, is the fact that vast majority of FB & LJ(& others) users are still alive, mind you.
Well in his defense, if he wouldn't use those two bombs many more people would die, because Japanesee imperial army was really dedicated to fight till the last breath. These losses would include soldiers on both sides and civilians. Much more than died in those two cities. And at least the world got to know what those weapons are capable of.
Well, it hard to say.. Yes & no. The fashioned "end-of-world-war" taught in the U.S. schools, is the one stated above, however..
By the way I really recommend British film Threads.
Seconded. Also: The War Game [secure.wikimedia.org] and The Day After [www.imdb.com].
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IMO, the Oko incident [secure.wikimedia.org] was even scarier...
On September 26, 1983, Stanislav Petrov, a lieutenant colonel in the Soviet Air Defence Forces, was the officer on duty at the Serpukhov-15 bunker near Moscow which housed the command center of the Soviet early warning system, code-named Oko.[5] Petrov's responsibilities included observing the satellite early warning network and notifying his superiors of any impending nuclear missile attack against the Soviet Union. If notification was received from the early warning systems that inbound missiles had been detected, the Soviet Union's strategy was an immediate nuclear counter-attack against the United States (launch on warning), specified in the doctrine of mutual assured destruction.[1]
Shortly after midnight, the bunker's computers reported that an intercontinental ballistic missile was heading toward the Soviet Union from the US.[6] Petrov considered the detection a computer error, since a United States first-strike nuclear attack would be likely to involve hundreds of simultaneous missile launches in order to disable any Soviet means for a counterattack. Furthermore, the satellite system's reliability had been questioned in the past.[7] Petrov dismissed the warning as a false alarm, though accounts of the event differ as to whether he notified his superiors[1] or not[6] after he concluded that the computer detections were false and that no missile had been launched. Later, the computers identified four additional missiles in the air, all directed towards the Soviet Union. Petrov again suspected that the computer system was malfunctioning, despite having no other source of information to confirm his suspicions. The Soviet Union's land radar was incapable of detecting missiles beyond the horizon,[7] and waiting for it to positively identify the threat would limit the Soviet Union's response time to minutes.
& they gave his Peace Nobel prize to Obama, for sending extra troops to Afghanistan 
... and now I have the urge to play DefCon [www.introversion.co.uk].
Fun game, pity.. It's very unrealistic. Although I love the fact, that overall it's war between continents, yet Russia is a separate one
Don't tell me...
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type568: just a little warning, I'm not really oversensitive and there's a lot I can take, but Threads maybe the first film after which I was feeling sick (that's why I recommend it).
By the way, I know about combat operations going on in the Manchuria. The WWII has several ends. May the 8th in the Europe, then the August in the Pacific theater and then when the Great patriotic war officialy ended (well I guess it was the same date as in the European front was closed). Anyway you can always say that Manchuria was just a police action, just like the Korea...
type568: just a little warning, I'm not really oversensitive and there's a lot I can take, but Threads maybe the first film after which I was feeling sick (that's why I recommend it).
Sure.. Thanks.
By the way, I know about combat operations going on in the Manchuria. The WWII has several ends. May the 8th in the Europe, then the August in the Pacific theater and then when the Great patriotic war officialy ended (well I guess it was the same date as in the European front was closed). Anyway you can always say that Manchuria was just a police action, just like the Korea...
Anyone can say anything. Overall the World War 2, has ended with the Japanese surrender on whatever that Warship name was, European theater is European theater, it has ended earlier. However, the strategic damage of that war, was a lot greater than of the bombings, the territory, the prisoners of war taken, the fact USSR is no longer neutral, etc'..
We really don't have the tools if Japan would or would not surrender if not one of these factors(assault & bombings).
Furthermore(wiki):
The rapid defeat of Japan's Kwantung Army was a significant factor in the Japanese surrender and the termination of World War II.[1][2][5][6]
Um, reading throught the Oko incident I got to Able Archer 83 NATO exercise. I think this is what was mentioning above. Funny as the memories decay, but probably they've got it slightly wrong in the documentary I saw some time ago.
Well in his defense, if he wouldn't use those two bombs many more people would die, because Japanesee imperial army was really dedicated to fight till the last breath. These losses would include soldiers on both sides and civilians. Much more than died in those two cities. And at least the world got to know what those weapons are capable of.
Why does americans always defend the nukes with that statement?
They also like to add that their government didn't know the effects of the bombs, which makes them look like idiots since there was a test before they dropped the nukes and I'm pretty sure even a child could analyze the result and realize the effect if they where to drop it on a fucking city.
The idea that the American government was fair in dropping the second nuke can be discussed, but the fact that the Japanese government didn't realize what had happened for a long time and that the American government's plan was to drop as many nukes as possible until japan surrendered without waiting for respone only makes me think they just wanted to show of their power and crush the japanese.
The fact that the effects of the bombings were censored(oops, I meant classified) for both the american and japanese people proves(to me) that they themself didn't think their actions were as noble as they claim them to be.
There's nothing wrong about being selfish in war, killing a lot of innocent japanese people is totally ok(sort of..) if it has some purpose like saving money or making you look powerfull, what's not ok is acting like you're a fantastic country that saved the world and always thinks about everyone else. 
My government is a joke but at least they don't try to make themselves look good.
Of the ones you listed, only Israel and North Korea actually have any nukes.
Iran is going to have them very soon, I don't think there's any doubt about that.
Additionally, there's nothing to worry about Israel (allegedly) having nuclear weapons as long as none of its enemies have them, since Israel will obviously not use its nukes against anyone aside from its nearby enemies, in which case you have to worry only if there's any form of retaliation against the world by another country that has been nuked by Israel (which either way will only use nukes in a "Samson's Option" case, so as long as Israel isn't being destroyed there's no problem.)
Personally, I find the whole subject to be a little distressing but unavoidable due to human nature (and political state of the world), so it's not like there's much choice here.
There's nothing wrong about being selfish in war, killing a lot of innocent japanese people is totally ok(sort of..) if it has some purpose like saving money or making you look powerfull, what's not ok is acting like you're a fantastic country that saved the world and always thinks about everyone else.
Ya.. I do agree with the bombings, at least with the first one but the justifications are kind of joke. The Japanese didn't consider anyone but themselves humans, and believed for some reason that half the globe belongs to them.. 40kt makes some good tools to persuade them being wrong, in my eyes..
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Iran is going to have them very soon, I don't think there's any doubt about that.
This summer Iran will be bombed.
Ablin: and how did you came to the conclusion I came from the United States of America? I don't specially like them, the truth is there are certain elements in the USA that really piss me off. However in my opinion the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was one of the factors we've made it this far without being reduced to cinder.
See most of the safety precautions etc. were adopted after some disaster has happened (look at the air transportation as an example). Without (and that's my opinion) Hiroshima and Nagasaki all expectations about nuclear weapons would be theorethical i.e. everybody would know that it could level the whole city to dust, but wouldn't know how horrible sideeffects it has - it was a kind of memento mori.
However in my opinion the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was one of the factors we've made it this far without being reduced to cinder.
Hm. Agreed.. Overall that terrible war gave some nice experience to Humanity & perhaps we should thank Hitler & Hirohito for giving us this experience before the nuclear age has actually started.
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memento mori?
2053 nuclear devices detonated over the course of 50 years
And how many of those were detonated in the South Pacific because France was too scared to test them in their own back yard?
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memento mori?
It means a reminder of our mortality.
Memento mori - Latin for "remember you are mortal" or "remember you must die" i.e. we were given more than fine example of what could happen if we know that nuclear weapon can do big crater in the desert. Because I hardly doubt anyone expected all the sideeffects.
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And how many of those were detonated in the South Pacific because France was too scared to test them in their own back yard?
I'm pretty sure those are accounted in the video. Anyway seems like I've forgot to add that while not good on its own, we can be quite happy that this was in the course of 50 years and not 50 seconds.
They do not have an English version of that page, but:
-France Pacific tests were done since 1966 to 1996.
"De 1975 à 1996, la France a réalisé 146 essais souterrains en Polynésie. Ils ont été réalisés dans les sous-sols et sous les lagons des atolls de Moruroa et Fangataufa."
Which basically mean that we made 146 try from 1975 to 1996 in the Polynesia undergrounds and Moruroa et Fangataufa atolls.
I won't translate the whole article, but hell France was evil with nuclear tests.
The diseases are multiples. The whole chapter 3 IS about negative nuclear effects.
I apologize, and that's really all I can do 
Edit: And ho, BTW Godzilla IS French.
"Le réalisateur, écolo et anti-nucléaire (chose très ancrée dans son pays natal en Allemagne), a écrit le scénario de Godzilla, après une commande de Sony en réaction aux essais nucléaires français lancés par Jacques Chirac en Polynésie, à Moruroa, après son élection de 1995."
Which mean: Roland Emmerich which is an ecologist and anti-nuclear guys (he's from Germany and it's common use there to be anti-nuclear) wrote the Godzilla story for Sonny, reacting to the French nuclear tests started by Jacques Chirac in Polynesia, at Moruroa after he was elected in 1995.
On the other hand Fatman used implosion design
For a moment I thought you were referring to that retarded thing in... well, you might know what I'm referring to.
Anyway, I always found it a bit sad how the government told everyone to just duck under something in case of a nuclear attack. Like if that was going to prevent something.
American government's plan was to drop as many nukes as possible until japan surrendered
Actually, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel, and put all the uranium we had into the Little Boy bomb.[1] (I believe that all our plutonium was used in the Trinity test and Fat Man bomb, but cannot find a source for it right now.)
the effects of the bombings were censored
Where and how?
For a moment I thought you were referring to that retarded thing in... well, you might know what I'm referring to.
Nope, I don't. Probably for the best 
Anyway, I always found it a bit sad how the government told everyone to just duck under something in case of a nuclear attack. Like if that was going to prevent something.
Sadly it's the only thing - apart from staring directly into the flash - you can do. Duck and cover and prey. If you are lucky[1] you will survive the initial blast i.e. the heat and shock wave. If you are out of the vaporization zone there's a chance that you won't be buried under the debris in which case you could get out of there before it starts "snowing". This way you can get out with minimum irradiation coming just from the blast - how much depends on how far you are from the epicentre and how much things were in-between.
Nope, I don't. Probably for the best
Good, and it's for for the best. If you're curious, here's the link to a youtube video. I know a lot of people don't read comments, but whatever you do, don't scroll down there. You've been warned. You might lose some IQ points.
Sadly it's the only thing - apart from staring directly into the flash - you can do. Duck and cover and prey. If you are lucky[1] you will survive the initial blast i.e. the heat and shock wave.
Right--if you're interested, here's the Nuclear War Survival Skills Manual. It's kind of interesting to read some of its chapters, and the results shown of various tests on how people would react after years in a shelter in case of a nuclear war.
WTF. I never realized how much the USA loved testing those things! Remind me never to go to the desert!
Well, I suppose in defence of Britain, at least we tested ours in the middle of the ocean or uninhabited islands.
The Japanese didn't consider anyone but themselves humans, and believed for some reason that half the globe belongs to them.. 40kt makes some good tools to persuade them being wrong, in my eyes..
Really? I've never heard anything about that, you'd think that such strong hatred for others would preserve and show itself even a little, sure they traditionally have strong feelings against their enemies, but I've never heard of anything racist that would lead to extermination.
I've read a lot about how japanese deny certain services to foreigners(which I think is ok since foreigners probably are ignorant of their customs which are very important) and say all kinds of racist things, but I know A LOT of people who have visited japan from time to time who haven't experienced such things
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The hatred for the japanese can still be felt in america where(according to wikipedia) 13% of the population wanted the total extermination of the japanese during the war 44. While I'm sure the figure has gone down significantly I know an american who knows several people who "don't like the japanese" and "hope they don't come here".
Then again, perhaps those who hate america is more of the silent type.
Ablin: and how did you came to the conclusion I came from the United States of America?
I unconsciously thought of you as an american because most people that say that are americans, but a lot of people who aren't americans also say that(like my dad) so I don't have a valid reason for thinking you're american. My thoughts of the statement in question quickly took over and it was never really about you even though I made it sound like it was.
Talking on a.cc is the almost the only speech training I get so forgive me for being bad at expressing myself. 
However in my opinion the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was one of the factors we've made it this far without being reduced to cinder. See most of the safety precautions etc. were adopted after some disaster has happened (look at the air transportation as an example). Without (and that's my opinion) Hiroshima and Nagasaki all expectations about nuclear weapons would be theorethical i.e. everybody would know that it could level the whole city to dust, but wouldn't know how horrible sideeffects it has - it was a kind of memento mori.
I don't know anything about japans influence on the war, I never imagined them to be strong enought to conquer the world :S (btw didn't the USA have the upper hand?). I agree, someone had to be first, and "better them than us" is most of the time a good argument. But did anyone else have nukes? or even know about them?
The Japanese didn't consider anyone but themselves humans
I was into some Japanese Buddhism back in the '80's, and after I became trusted enough, I was told that if I chanted really hard, my karma might become so great that I might have the good fortune to be reborn as a Japanese person! This was told to me with the same attitude that someone might have when hinting to me that I may be the winner of a million dollars. Black people were considered to have very bad karma to wind up in their predicament. Ironically, one of the staunchest Buddhists in the area was a black man who hounded me for years afterward to go back to Buddhism.
I protested their view to an extent, but was pooh-poohed away, since I was obviously stupid as a Buddhist neophyte and mere white person who just didn't get it.
Talking on a.cc is the almost the only speech training I get so forgive me for being bad at expressing myself.
Don't worry, there are times I don't express myself good as well.
But did anyone else have nukes? or even know about them?
At that time nobody, just the USA and only three of them. I'll try to express myself better - it was a lesson for the whole world. Thousands had to die or suffer greatly because of those two bombings, but without it, nobody in the whole world wouldn't knew exactly how scary nuclear weapons are. In my opinion that knowledge was a key to our survival, yet many people had to pay the price.
Really? I've never heard anything about that, you'd think that such strong hatred for others would preserve and show itself even a little, sure they traditionally have strong feelings against their enemies, but I've never heard of anything racist that would lead to extermination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
I've read a lot about how japanese deny certain services to foreigners(which I think is ok since foreigners probably are ignorant of their customs which are very important) and say all kinds of racist things, but I know A LOT of people who have visited japan from time to time who haven't experienced such things .
In tourist attractions, you obviously won't encounter such things.. They live from money of the tourists. But there's some deep racial issue there, I could write some long essay to fill my words with arguments. I doubt any will read it though, so..
However, I'd suggest you this movie.
The hatred for the japanese can still be felt in america where(according to wikipedia) 13% of the population wanted the total extermination of the japanese during the war 44. While I'm sure the figure has gone down significantly I know an american who knows several people who "don't like the japanese" and "hope they don't come here".
Of course, there are racial issues almost everywhere. The question is official position of a government and various laws to fight it. Personal opinion of specific people, is their personal opinion. If someone hates Jews, Arabs, Russians, Americans or whoever.. It's up to them, yet governments have great effects on these opinions. And while in Germany, there's no remaining(or so it seems to me, or at least that's their official position) of any hatred towards the outer world(to which they considered themselves superior), in Japan it's still there. Also the very few online interactions of people whom I found out later to be Japanese- were full of arrogance.
In my opinion that knowledge was a key to our survival, yet many people had to pay the price.
Tokyo firebombings could kill overnight more than one of these nukes.. Or at least comparable numbers. And who knows how long would the war last without'em.. Perhaps that experience came in just as a free bonus after the overall insane cost of whole WW2.
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/But: me is watching "The Next Day", can't wait for the first nukes to land :D
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"City of Moscow is being evacuated. City of Moscow is being evacuated."

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".. in an event of a probable attack .."
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"300 nuclear charges were dropped on Soviet forces.." 
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"3,2.. *ICBM launch showed*"
P.S: I suggest this movie to everyone 
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Actually it's not funny absolutely
We don't get those foreign movies here.
I guess they can't be that that good. 
My understanding was that the USA basically wanted to stay out of WWII. Then Japan forced them into it with Pearl Harbor. Sometime thereafter the first nuclear bombs were ready. The USA allegedly gave the Japanese government an ultimatum, warning of the attack, but the Japanese told them to fuck off. First big boom. The USA apparently told them again to surrender and they refused. Second big boom. Surrender. I consider it a valid response.
I am unaware of any racism or hatred between the USA and Japan in modern day times. One could assume that some people feel it (as there are some racist assholes in all parts of the world), but I've never gotten the impression that it's a country-wide consensus.
That would make me sad.
The USA seemed like the peaceful nation prior to WWII trying to stay out of the fight. Perhaps that's when they learned that staying out of it isn't an option for them. And they've been putting their boots in the rest of your asses ever since. 
The OP's video doesn't really surprise me or frighten me much. I didn't realize that the numbers were in the thousands, but obviously those were mostly just controlled tests. The only actual attacks I know about are those first two in Japan.
What does frighten me are anti-American nations having nuclear weapons.
Err. Of the ones you listed, only Israel and North Korea actually have any nukes. And the latter don't even need them - they have Seoul within artillery range.
If they don't have any now, they have had them, and can probably get them.
And thats a pretty poor excuse, North Korea doesn't need inter continental ballistic missiles either if their only target was South Korea, yet they have a very long term development project, with the latest ones able to reach the US, and most of Europe.
I am unaware of any racism or hatred between the USA and Japan in modern day times.
Well, there's certainly hate from Japan to USA. But what do you expect if they nuked your country
My Japanese teacher told us something that happened to him when he was in Japan. He was walking in the city and some youngers started to insult him, thinking he was American. After he told them he was Spanish they went with him friendly and invited him to take some drink with them
Err. Of the ones you listed, only Israel and North Korea actually have any nukes. And the latter don't even need them - they have Seoul within artillery range.
If they don't have any now, they have had them, and can probably get them.
No. The only nation that has ever had nuclear weapons and given them up[1] is South Africa. Iran naturally wants them, and has the know-how and raw materials to acquire them one day, but Palestine? What are you on?
And thats a pretty poor excuse, North Korea doesn't need inter continental ballistic missiles either if their only target was South Korea, yet they have a very long term development project, with the latest ones able to reach the US, and most of Europe.
Correct. They don't need them as a deterrent. They're a useful diplomatic bargaining tool though.
but Palestine? What are you on?
You're right. Sorry. I'm not sure where I pulled Palestine out of.
I'm only sad of one thing - there will be no radar station in the central Bohemia to serve in the antimissile umbrella USA wanted to erect. I wanted to build a summer house as close to the compound as possible. Why do you ask? Simple: a radar station will make prominent first wave target. If the situation in the world gone really bad I'd simply moved to that house and wait for the big flashing moment[1]
USA basically wanted
Just these three words, make poor sense to me.. The U.S. isn't a person to want or not want something. There were people who did & those did not want the war. Those weapon manufacturers & bankers praised war, and the longer & the more global it is- the better.
First big boom. The USA apparently told them again to surrender and they refused. Second big boom. Surrender. I consider it a valid response.
Since there were like 2-3 days between these booms, and these weapons were literally new- it's absolute nonsense. There was not enough time given to realize what has happened after the first boom. Besides, as always- Manchurian offensive is ignored as their argument for a surrender.
but I've never gotten the impression that it's a country-wide consensus.
Out of my current understanding of current state of things, Japan has this towards literally the rest of the world. Not specifically the U.S..
What does frighten me are anti-American nations having nuclear weapons.
Uh?
If they don't have any now, they have had them [en.wikipedia.org], and can probably get them.
Wiki: .. these figures are estimates, in some cases quite unreliable estimates.
Besides, as I stated above, it really stinks with upcoming bombings of Iranian nuclear objects this summer, why else would they drag their fleet & aircraft around.. & apply various embargoes vs Iran..
but Palestine? What are you on?
Nuclear armed Palestine is a good joke, really 
Discounting the republics that formed from the breakup of the Soviet Union. Those weapons were arguably never theirs, and were repatriated to Russia. If they were to be counted as nuclear powers, so would every country where foreign nuclear weapons had ever been posted.
There are rumors, and I won't be any surprised if it's tree- that many of'em went missing.... Nor will I be shocked to find out India Pakistan & North Korea had some use for'em. Just the numbers were really insane, 40 000+(most were in Russia obviously, but still) strategic warheads..
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Because obviously I'd hate to miss out the unique chance to witness a nuclear blast. Plus in case of global thermonuclear warfare I'd really hate to survive the initial attack.

Although, I doubt they would any bother sending it in waves or whatsover. Not until there are any real successful tests at interrupting a flat trajectory ballistic missile traveling 20 times the speed of some bullet.
I am unaware of any racism or hatred between the USA and Japan in modern day times.
Maybe because you don't live in either country.
Maybe because you don't live in either country. 
When I went to Japan, they loved us. Especially the blond blue-eyed guy.
I don't think there's any real substantial hatred or disdain between either country.
When I went to Japan, they loved us.
Did you ever watch the scene in The Last Samurai where they were making a deal at the dinner table to have Aldridge train Japanese troops? So polite, yet conniving in their private conversation in Japanese. Don't get me wrong, I'm a gaijin rice chaser, but kitty has claws.
Yeah well, they have to be gentle at least from time to time to survive as their holy lands are actually puny islands without any resources on them.
I don't think there's any real substantial hatred or disdain between either country.
I really have no idea, since I also don't live in either country. I do know there are a lot of Chinese (mostly older) who still vehemently hate Japan, mostly because of the massacre of Nanking. Apparently Japan has tried to pretend the whole thing never really happened. One of the Japanese girls my girlfriend works with was telling her that she doesn't understand why Chinese people hate them, as she was taught at school that the only reason Japan invaded China was to save the people from the government. She was also told that it was the Chinese government that massacred the population of Nanking so that they could blame it on the Japanese.
There is a lot of racism in China. I'm not sure where it comes from but I don't think it has much to do with America.
There is a lot of racism in China. I'm not sure where it comes from but I don't think it has much to do with America.
From: United States
That's all you people care about
I think I chose the wrong word. I'm more horrified than frightened.
Ah, yes. I felt a nauseating disgust when the thought occurred to me each test was perhaps to find a way to use a nuke to eradicate the opponent before they could retaliate. I mean: if it was possible, there probably would be someone willing to pull it off.
Actually, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel, and put all the uranium we had into the Little Boy bomb.[1] (I believe that all our plutonium was used in the Trinity test and Fat Man bomb, but cannot find a source for it right now.)
Sorry about the miss! Wrote my last post while you posted yours, didn't see it. Anyway: Just getting my information from wikipedia(where else to look?
), it just says that the idea was to produce bombs and drop them as soon as they where finished.
Where and how?
Wikipedia again, click, under "Depiction and Public response".
I couldn't find a single mention of racicm in that text, even thought I only read most of it I seached the page for possible words that would be significant. Any specific part of the text I should read?
In tourist attractions, you obviously won't encounter such things.. They live from money of the tourists. But there's some deep racial issue there, I could write some long essay to fill my words with arguments. I doubt any will read it though, so..
I doubt there is a conspiracy among all japanese people to somehow distinguish foreigners who are just visiting from those who are staying and ridicule only them
. I'm sure those who are staying will face problem with getting somewhere to live for example, but I'd like to think such problem arise from the fact that most of the these so called racists think the foreigners aren't familiar with the customs of their society and will be trouble(like not being able to pay the rent) and not because he is of another race.
I don't know.. I just don't buy the whole conspiracy thing.
The fact that a lot of japanese has a thing for american culture(breaking my heart) is another factor that makes it hard for me to accept a relative wide spread dislike for foreigners, peronally I wish they wouldn't accept any foreigners, I don't want their culture to be tainted.
Of course, there are racial issues almost everywhere. The question is official position of a government and various laws to fight it. Personal opinion of specific people, is their personal opinion. If someone hates Jews, Arabs, Russians, Americans or whoever.. It's up to them, yet governments have great effects on these opinions. And while in Germany, there's no remaining(or so it seems to me, or at least that's their official position) of any hatred towards the outer world(to which they considered themselves superior), in Japan it's still there. Also the very few online interactions of people whom I found out later to be Japanese- were full of arrogance.
Japans goverment is publicly(inside japan) strongly talking about how japan is accepting of other cultures(they are in fact bragging about it), while I don't think they are the most accepting country on earth I'm pretty sure they are highly ranked, and the fact that the goverment is using it as propagana proves(to me) that the general social norm is to be accepting of other cultures.
While I have never talked with a japanese person on the net I've met a few when they come here, japan has a direct flight from somewhere in japan to kiruna which is a very popular turist attraction. While I was there I felt the japanese where very nice and talkative, however, I must admit that they seem somewhat ignorant of our technical experise as every japanese who askes if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions on standard operations
. hilarious.
racism
▶ noun RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry; anti-Semitism.
© Oxford University Press 1995, 2002
In other words, if one does not think about another race that it is equal, or if he thinks it's people have less rights than your race does- you're a racist.
I couldn't find a single mention of racicm in that text, even thought I only read most of it I seached the page for possible words that would be significant. Any specific part of the text I should read?
Well.. Almost anything there. If your command is organizing systematic consumption of enemy POW, and organizing "comfort houses" for systematic rapes, I pretty much consider that command inhabiting racial prejudices, considering the enemy inhuman.
Various systematic biological experiments with lethal outcome & death in agony also isn't something one would do to someone whom he considers equal.
About the issue on their government level- well, there is a terrible set of issues the foreigners facing, and no laws exist to stop this..
They also do not admit vast majority of their crimes during world war 2. Besides.. The history as it is taught, is corrupted everywhere.. However, in Japan it's usually something beyond imagination and is barely related with our world from time to time. You can find it out yourself by visiting some of their wiki pages related with the wars. You can't really rely on Google Chrome's translator to read the pages, but the outcomes which are typically numbers- you can.
I've more things to add..
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however, I must admit that they seem somewhat ignorant of our technical experise as every japanese who askes if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions on standard operations
They consider you an ape, they just find it not wise to tell out loud, especially if they want you to shoot'em 
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Not everyone, I'm sure there are exceptions. But mostly, it looks like so.
Well.. Almost anything there. If your command is organizing systematic consumption of enemy POW, and organizing "comfort houses" for systematic rapes, I pretty much consider that command inhabiting racial prejudices, considering the enemy inhuman.
Various systematic biological experiments with lethal outcome & death in agony also isn't something one would do to someone whom he considers equal.
Like the enemy? I know I would.
They consider you an ape, they just find it not wise to tell out loud, especially if they want you to shoot'em 
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Not everyone, I'm sure there are exceptions. But mostly, it looks like so.
I consider a lot of countries technologically inferior and would probably give random people there the same instructions, but I don't think of them as apes.
Meaning: I don't think thinking someone can't operate a camera because they come from a specific country means you're a racist.
It certainly means you think you are superior in that regard, but not racist.
Japans goverment is publicly(inside japan) strongly talking about how japan is accepting of other cultures(they are in fact bragging about it)
Probably overcompensating a little too much.
From multiple sources that have lived in Japan, I have heard that the Japanese people who are not in tourist areas are not accepting of foreigners. Don't even have to be white, just not Japanese.
It's even in their anime.
I was in Okinawa in '77, there were a few out-of-the-way bars you'd go in, and they'd hold their hand up, palm toward you, meaning "You're not welcome here". It was probably to avoid the aggravation of USMC n00bs asking all kinds of stupid questions in a language they only knew a few words to.
On the whole, though, I'd say a large percentage of Japanese people look down on other races, but they keep it to themselves. They hold politeness up as a virtue, probably because they're way too crowded to get along any other way.
I have heard that the Japanese people who are not in tourist areas are not accepting of foreigners.
To be fair, I don't think that's specific to Japan.
To be fair, I don't think that's specific to Japan.
I'm in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists. I don't see how Japanese people would suddenly love them. It's annoying! Specially since you have to pay much more for all the normal groceries because of them.
Like the enemy? I know I would.
Nobody did though. The Nazis conduct experiments on Jewish people*(here my statement about racism is correct), and all of the other crime- were not conducted by anyone else. Out of possible relationships to the enemy, it's obvious among the worst ones known to humanity is Red army's relationship towards the Nazis. & here it is actually natural one- the Germans advanced a lot, and dealt insane damage, behaved extremely harsh(as based on the racial prejudices), executed majority of Soviet POWs, etc'..
Yet, the soviet relationship towards the Germans was very gentle and nice relatively to Japanese towards Chinese, who have slaughtered 99% of Chinese POWs(can be found in the above wiki url of Japanese crimes).
To be fair, I don't think that's specific to Japan.
There are such cases in various places, but Japan is a boldest example. And it is based on blood- a Korean can study in a Japanese university just fine, as he looks the same and if raised in Japan speaks Japanese without an accent. The moment he's known not to be Japanese, he'll be hated. There was some movie about this. And overall, there are Japanese who recognize these issues, at least because they're raised in Japanese movies.
I'm in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists. I don't see how Japanese people would suddenly love them. It's annoying! Specially since you have to pay much more for all the normal groceries because of them.
Dario, if you'd read at least just few posts here.. -.-
What we're talking, isn't related to tourists, at all. Mostly tourists who are back from Japan are actually astonished by the warm welcome.. While they're in the tourist attraction places, and pay for it. When it gets to something beyond, the issues arise.
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*- & yet it has nothing to do with Goodwin's law, this comparison is relevant.
Dario, if you'd read at least just few posts here
All those text walls and with this flu that makes me feel like my head is about to explode? No thanks. I'm fine for reading small chunks today.
@Dario: Feel well then. 
Append: When the typing performance approaches the reading speed, various issues arise..
I'm in a very touristic city, and I hate tourists.
Yes, everyone hates tourists as such (that is to say, when you live somewhere where there are lots of tourists you hate the extra noise they make, the wide-eyed wonder with which they walk out into the middle of the road, the fact that they tend to suddenly stop walking to take a picture of some random building; or, my particular annoyances coming from Amsterdam, tourists getting on bikes and cycling around as though they're on a nice calm field trip as opposed to in the middle of city traffic, and if they don't do that they'll walk on the bike path because they don't realise it's part of the road rather than the pavement. After a while you stop caring when you run into them). However, that doesn't make you a racist.
If you're living somewhere were you never see people who are not like you (say, black, white, asian), then people who look different become a whole lot more scary just because you're unfamiliar with them. That's before anything else is even taken into consideration.
if we could take their picture thought we knew nothing about digial cameras and tried to give instructions
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Is it just me, or is that kid looking straight down her top?
I'm sure he is !
I didn't notice there was a kid in the picture.
He must have a better view than we do.
Yes, we are all looking down her top, including the kid. 
Do you want to see the pictures I have on my camera?No... I mean, sure! >_> <_< >_> ... >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_> >_>
Epic derail!
I mean, it started out with a Japanese work of art