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How do I find the ultimate games programmer?
Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Actually, short of naming him outright, he did mention talking to an employee about it.

;) Well if he is mad about it, he knows where to find me :)

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Vanneto
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May 2007

Yes they do:

(-4) - (-8) = 4

Check it on your calculator... It really is true. :o

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Kibiz0r
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September 2005
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...

Give it time. He'll figure it out.

Fladimir da Gorf
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October 2001
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I'll help, by "double negative" the original poster was actually referring to "-(-8)" of course ;)

Shov-UK, if that's the starting salary that is mentioned, then how much can it be expected to rise during the first few years?

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OICW
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Not really. You don't go into science with the intention of getting rich, it just doesn't happen. Even if you make professor, you earn nowhere near what you would make if you had gone into industry instead.

Yes, that's true. But it also all depends on what you decide to do with your CS degree. You can stay on university, or somewhere in lab, and research new things. Or you can get hired by one of the many software companies who are on lookout for programmers/developers/modeleres/you name it.

I had two options where to go (there are many more universities here, but these two were in my city), I could either study CTU or MFF at Charles University. I study the latter. It's focused more on theory, however they told us that they will teach us how to use our brain. After five years I will be able either to follow the career of a scientist or attain higly paid job in IT (around here, they are really well paid plus always on lookout for graduate students).

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James Stanley
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May 2006
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the pay off with this role comes from truely doing what you love for a living

I don't know if people have said any of this already, haven't read whole thread, but...

Basically, what you're asking for is someone who likes writing games, so that

1.) Your software is written well
2.) You don't have to pay them much

Also, I don't believe this is either real or Runescape related. If Runescape were looking for programmers, they wouldn't come to Allegro.cc. If someone else was looking for programmers, they would name the company.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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Also, I don't believe this is either real or Runescape related. If Runescape were looking for programmers, they wouldn't come to Allegro.cc. If someone else was looking for programmers, they would name the company.

Thats a little silly. Why wouldn't a smaller games company come to a place that fosters game programmers, and one of their own already hangs out at?

And as was stated, 50k USD is pretty darn decent for a starting position in a company. I know people that started at 20k (CAD, back when it was 0.60 per USD) for programming jobs.

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HoHo
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And as was stated, 50k USD is pretty darn decent for a starting position in a company

I also know that a friend of mine started with ~€1k per month and got twice that two months later. If the company is half decent and you really know your thing you usually can get decent salary in not too long time

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Vanneto
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May 2007

Are most people here living in the clouds or are there really such high salaries in the U.S.? :o

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HoHo
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April 2004
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At least in Estonia the reason is there are not enough knowledgeable workers so the ones who are competent are mostly way overpaid. National average salary is around €600.

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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- 4 - ( -8 ) = 4 <--- positive

That's taking away a negative. The argument was that adding a negative to another negative doesn't make a positive.

-4 + ( -8 ) = -12 <--- negative

Vanneto
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May 2007

Ohhh OK. ;D Sorry for the mistake. :P

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Slartibartfast
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June 2007
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Maybe you should consider that one positive makes a negative:
0.5 is positive
ln(0.5) = -0.69314718055994530941723212145818
-0.69314718055994530941723212145818 is negative :P

(Neil Black, consider it a response to Vanneto :P)

HoHo
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April 2004
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-2 * -6 = 12 :)

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nonnus29
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August 2002
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And as was stated, 50k USD is pretty darn decent

Oops, up there when I said I wouldn't take a 50% pay cut I did the currency conversion with euros, not pounds. 24k euros is about $30k. 24k pounds is 50k. So no, I'm not making 100k a year. I don't do any programming either; I just spent a week researching to update 1 line in a database. :'(

Peter Hull
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March 2001

Shov-UK: a bit offtopic but while you're here - what do you think of the "Consumer JRE" aka update N or whatever it's called this week, and what do you think of Project Darkstar?
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Slartibartfast
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Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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I am sparticus!

Oh sorry, wrong question..

Bruce Perry
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April 2000

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but i will recommend it to any of the Americans looking for a new start with new women.

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Richard Phipps
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Vanneto
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May 2007

Whats a piccolo?

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HoHo
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MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
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Vanneto
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May 2007

I'm scared now.

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Bruce Perry
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April 2000

A piccolo is a musical instrument, pretty much a small, octave-higher version of the flute. It's a standard member of the modern orchestra. A fife is similar, apparently. I think the point of the joke is that the words sound similar to "gigolo" and "wife", though looking up "gigolo", apparently a gigolo is a man who has sex with and is supported by a woman. Maybe he was a drag queen. ???

Richard, you should apply :) I'd apply but I don't think they'd take me very seriously. :-/

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