What? It's mostly [extreme] atheists who would react to that. I doubt many non-religious people would pay much attention. It's the uptight extreme anti-religion people who pitch fits if anything religious is said.

Well nobody says he must marry her. It's a practice, plus life would not be interesting if you'd behave like "now work and when I'm 35 I'll look for a good wife to make a new generation...", what makes life so interesting is those random decisions.

I learned not to look back and not to think about decisions longer than necessary - when something has to be done quickly it has to be done - the history will sort it out.

Well I think that somebody pointed out not to discuss religion...

Trezker: You are a bit late.. He killed her and buried the body in his backyard.

Why bring her back? He can get all he needs from just her body...

Anyway, CK, I keep posting random posts and usually unhelpful comments because you need to get your mind off of it a little while...maybe even laugh a little. Hmmm, where's Johan and his "double decker toot-toot."

Is that from Kama Sutra?

HoHo: oh my gods, that's awesome.

Chris I think you blame yourself too much. Girls will be girls (ie crazy), and theres nothing you can do about it. Just be yourself and be happy about it. If you can manage to do that it wont matter what you do. The girl(s) will see that your content about yourself and cling on.

Anyway, about that whole saturday thing. Most guys don't realize how much girls over-analyze. Chances are about 10 to 1 that she purposely flaked out on you. After all in her mind you were flaking out on her, so she would need to turn the tables around and make it so shes flaking on you. That way shes 'ahead' in the game.

That conversation you had with her where she took part of the blame I'll give odds of about 30 to 1 that she planned that out too. Probably on the phone with her best girlfriend for a couple of hours they analyzed the whole thing to itty bitty pieces and decided the exact wording with which she would tell you it was partially her fault.

They probably even planned your response to what she would say.

The point of my post: When stuff goes sour, don't blame yourself. Its most likely just one of her plans not working out for her and her trying a desperate move to regain control of the situation. In the end you should just be yourself and let girls play all their weird games. If you blamed yourself for every time a girl did something weird, you would be a very depressed person.

So who wants to place bets? I've got 100 rupees on him posting an "OMG I'm an Idiot" thread within a week.

Why not? Since he posted his bet to the public, I'd say it's pretty safe to bet against him.

I trust him. If he won't do something really stupid, he'll hang on her. I bet that she's interested in him. So I guess I get my 100 rupees against ML.

I definitely know now that planning stuff in advance is bad. What you mean by having tactics is simply having a general idea of what you're going to say. The bullet points, if you will. Just open your mouth and talk. You'll never have a perfect conversation or speech, but that doesn't mean you won't do better than you head either or even that you need to do it perfectly either. I really need to get that in my mind.

Additionally, yeah, it's possible she lied about hearing the message--I don't care. Hah. Lying sucks, but if she's doing it, she's doing it to try to not throw away a potential relationship.