Evert: well it was our second serious conversation and I really didn't have any mean how to find out. Anyway I know that, and that's exactly what I try to do always, but sometimes...

And she may construe the 'coolness' as arrogance.

This happens to me a lot. I think girls try to avoid you if they think you have a crush on them or if you're trying to find someone to have a crush on, but if your affections are elsewhere, they start popping up out of the woodwork. A female friend once told me that girls will flock to me if I don't keep wishing I had a girlfriend. From my observations, I'd say she was right.

AE.

Oh, yes. I've noticed some girls to act more "flirty" when I'm talking to them about other cute girls - even if I really do have a crush on another girl.
It's also a well-known complaint: if you don't have a girlfriend, it's relatively hard to get one. If you do have a girlfriend, girls will be fighting for your attention.

Maybe they just want to stick it to the other girl...

Hey you seem to forget that girls behaviour is irracional and illogical. That's why they act as you described.

jhuuskon: sigged

I know it's a common male complaint that women are weird and wired backwards... not my experience with most girls I know though. The behavior I described above is fairly logical, from a biological point of view.

Thanks for the update Chris!

And ummm .... Congrats? I guess .... I don't even know anymore, this thread has gotten confusing.

Rampage: and that's why I haven't asked here Oh wait, all my expirience come from attempt-error attitude, I haven't asked anybody

Ok quick solution, kill her then date her sister.. but seriously... just drop her. You are taking this too far, just calm down give her time, find someone else, and if that doesnt work out and you still wanna try for Amber... go to her, be like I've changed.. I'm more secure with myself and I made a mountian out of an ant hill .. wanna try things again?

Maybe go to a night club and get a nice bump and grind to clear things up?

Hahhaha that's great

Just because people here are interested in programming does not mean:

• We don't have any need for love and sex.

• We haven't had love and sex.

• We don't know how to talk to women/men (depending on gender and sexuality).

Just because some are not interested in programming doesn't give them some sort of "get into panties (or pants) for free" card. It seems like a couple of people here have that belief.

Well the people you've talked to got your back. And the farewell message where God was mentioned is the one message on her voicemail she won't listen to if you don't want her to. So...

That has nothing to do with it. I openly and honestly want God's blessing on her life. Whether she likes me or not.

And I'm going to forewarn some people: This is my thread. Please respect that. If you want to discuss the existence of God, do it in your own thread. Otherwise, I'm just going to request that Matthew remove those associated posts. Thank you.