Esperanto

Esperanto

CascoOscuro

Member #4,966

August 2004

Looks like it is an old discussion in this forum: the date of topics about this are quite old and i can't reply, but now i can bring you my opinion.

Well, english is the first language spoken in the world due to economic reasons, and in the past due to social reasons (british imperialism).
It's good that most people from the world can speak between them in a common language, no matter what it is and why it's declared the "mundial" language.

But, altough english has a relative easy grammar, pronounciation and speech are chaotic and horrible, without rules and "very-fast" sounds.
And, if we take any other language, we'll find more difficulties: in spanish the horrible verb forms and the waves of irregular verbs: Moorish, multiple dialects, difficult writing and difficult pronountiation, too; japanense, well, japanense people don't understand the entire language until the age of 14, etc etc. These are only examples.

Once upon a time, a person made a language with around 10 grammar rules, where you can build words with basic "root words" without exceptions, well-defined and easy verb forms and a very simple and ruled speech: The Esperanto.

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Esperanto was designed to be an international language that everyone could learn, but since it's based on some Latin language (I can't remember which) it's got a lot of unnecessary stuff, like verb conjugation for person etc. So I suggest we make C the world's official language

All latin languages and all germanic ones, too. It's a mix.

Well, i can say that, in one day, i've learnt the same quantity of Esperanto than 1 week learning english or french.

Se mi povus paroli Esperanto, vi ankau.

Avenger

Member #4,550

April 2004

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So I suggest we make C the world's official language

int main()
{
   printf("C the official language!\n");
   printf("Thats just great!");
}

CascoOscuro

Member #4,966

August 2004

Yes, a perfect language in fact. And very powerful . But then let's speak in the C++ dialect, better .

Avenger

Member #4,550

April 2004

int main()
{
   printf("Dont start a C vs C++ war please...");
}

Kitty Cat

Member #2,815

October 2002

Avenger, that's cheating. This is the real way to speak in C:

short attention_spans()
{
   you_people_have(yes);
   return now || feel_matthews_wrath;
}

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Avenger

Member #4,550

April 2004

if(input_is_acceptable())
{
   return(agree);
}

ReyBrujo

Moderator

January 2001

Japanese is not as difficult as many thinks. It has a lot of words indeed, but the kanjis are easy to learn once you figure them out and learn to mix them, it has only past and present (future is the -ing form in english), and pronunciation has only a couple of rules

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Ron Ofir

Member #2,357

May 2002

I totally agree with you, CascoMon!

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Se mi povus paroli Esperanto, vi ankau.

Esperanto estas tre bela kaj tre facila! Where are you leaning it from? I'm using Lernu! And what does the -us ending mean?

Rey: AFAIK, -ing is present progressive, which is used for near future.

ReyBrujo

Moderator

January 2001

Yep, but in japanese it means future. If you are doing something right now, it is present.

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Evert

Member #794

November 2000

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it's got a lot of unnecessary stuff, like verb conjugation for person

Bleh, if you want a language that is basically dead when it comes to inflexions, stick with English, which doesn't even have a (proper) second person singular anymore.

I started to teach myself Czech not too long back and I love it! Three genders (with a distinction between animate and inanimate male nouns), seven cases, modal verbs, four modes... I love it

Rash

Member #2,374

May 2002

Ahem!
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Here's some more links for your enjoyment:
[url http://web.archive.org/web/20030811165117/http://www.cix.co.uk/~morven/lang/esp.html]
[url http://www.steve.gb.com/rants/esperanto.html]
[url http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037/Esp.html]
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Johan Halmén

Member #1,550

September 2001

Go Finnish! 15 cases! OTOH you can form new words out of old ones:

(fi: ) järjestys
(en: ) order

epäjärjestys
disorder

järjestää
organise

järjestelmä
system

järjestelmällistää
to systemise something

järjestelmällistyttää
to have something systemised by someone else

järjestelmällistämäisyys
the quality to systemise

järjestelmällistyttämäisyys
the quality to have something systemised by someone else

järjestelmällistyttämättömyys
the lack of quality to have something systemised by someone else

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyys
the lack of quality to have something unsystemised by someone else

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellä
with the lack of quality to have something unsystemised by someone else

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsä
with his (or her) lack of quality to have something unsystemised by someone else

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkin
also with his (or her) lack of quality to have something unsystemised by someone else

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkään
neither with his (or her) lack of quality to have something unsystemised by someone else

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänkö
neither with his (or her) lack of quality to have something unsystemised by someone else?

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänköhän
(doubtfully: ) neither with his (or her) lack of quality to have something unsystemised by someone else?

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Rampage

Member #3,035

December 2002

My eyes hurt so much! Spanish is quite easy compared to that.

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The longest word in Spanish is 'anticonstitucionalmente'. It doesn't compare at all.

epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänköhän
anticonstitucionalmente

It's less than half of the letters!

-R

miran

Member #2,407

June 2002

Did anyone count how long that last word is? I got lost at around 18 or 20...

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Avenger

Member #4,550

April 2004

How do you pronounce that last one?

ReyBrujo

Moderator

January 2001

Just read it aloud

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Trezker

Member #1,739

December 2001

It's easy to pronounce finnish, unless you have jumpy eyes.
It's pronounced exactly as it's written.
Single char is short, double char is long.

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Rampage

Member #3,035

December 2002

And how do those ¨ affect the sound?

-R

miran

Member #2,407

June 2002

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It's pronounced exactly as it's written.

How is ä pronounced? What about ö?

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Sporus

Member #3,815

August 2003

I might add that words that long are far too impractical to use. They're more like jokes for natives too.
I'm not very good with explanations, but...

ä is like the a in "hand", but kept short. (IPA: æ)
ö is the same as in Swedish and German, but always short. A little like the English sound of ir, as in "dirty birdie", just don't move your tongue to form the r (if you pronounce in American). (IPA: ø)

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järjestelmällistämäisyys
the quality to systemise

I think I've never seen a word like that.

OICW

Member #4,069

November 2003

Yeah Czech is lovely language (good thing is that we have only 3 time clauses, not like English )

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CascoOscuro

Member #4,966

August 2004

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Where are you leaning it from? I'm using Lernu! And what does the -us ending mean?

I'm using [url http://www.institutoesperanto.com.ar]. It's argentinian but you can see the page in english. It's cool, and they bring you a diploma if you success an exam (i think it's free, i've sent a email to them asking this question).
But i've seen a little lernu! It's very good, it has a "chat" and a forum too.

The us ending means condition. For me, and spanish native speaker, sounds weird at first.

Rash, the first web page you show to us is a bit intolerant. I totally disagree its points of view and its reasons.

For a international language, Esperanto is perfect. Easy, standard, easy verbs and a ruled pronountiation.

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järjestelmällistämäisyys

That word makes me afraid.

Niunio

Member #1,975

March 2002

jorram said:

My eyes hurt so much! Spanish is quite easy compared to that.

And easer to read it: each character has only one sound (except characters "c", "g" "n" and "l") even with quotes: "e" sounds the same than "è" (but with emphasis).

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Oscar Giner

Member #2,207

April 2002

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except characters "c", "g" "n" and "l"

n and l

There's also "r" that sounds like "rr" if it's at the beginning of a word or after consonant (but at least it has precise rules, not like another language I know of but I won't name ).

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Rampage

Member #3,035

December 2002

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but at least it has precise rules, not like another language I know of but I won't name

Language recognition would be easier if it was done in Spanish .

-R