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Eric Johnson
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January 2013
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SJW = Succulent, Juicy Wombats

bamccaig
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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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My. God.

Somehow, I picture him looking like this:

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bamccaig
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(shoeonhead is not an SJW, but an anti-SJW woman that is actually intelligent)

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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???

I look like a guy... https://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/617381/1036940#target

I mean I've had no trouble dating, getting numbers, etc so I must be doing something right. >:(

Also I was talking with my last date about oversexualization of women in video games 8-)

Eric Johnson
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What the...? I thought you'd look more like this:

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Also I was talking with my last date about oversexualization of women in video games 8-)

I keep seeing this:

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;D

Aaron is a sneaky male. ;D;D

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bamccaig
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Aaron Bolyard
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We were also talking about how anti-feminists suck 8-)

You can think I'm some socially inept guy but that's as far from the truth as you can get. I'm excellent with conversation and social interaction. (God that sounds so nerdy but I don't know how to word it, so I don't think that helps my case).

I mean I've been asked for my number several times and gotten a dozen numbers since I started dating in April. I'm consistently in the top 5 for sales at my job (last month I was 1). If I were inept, or awkward, or unattractive, that wouldn't happen.

You can try and pigeonhole me into your cliche SJW stereotype but you're being like toddlers trying to fit a star into a square hole. :-*

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Since when are SJW's inept, awkward, or unattractive? Some of them are, but many of them are not. That's not what we're saying at all. What you are is clueless. You're missing the point. Which is kind of the point I guess. :D

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Whatever mating strategy you use, if that works, go for it. Seriously. I'm not gonna bash you for having fun and succeeding.

However, my wife would have cringed if I had steered the subject to post-modern feminist dance theory.

SNEAKY MALE! It's a well-known evolutionary strategy.

https://youtu.be/xX-MI6uza1A?t=19m13s [19 min 13 secs]

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Be honest, how many times have you discussed how "traditional masculine males are all dumb jerks". :P ala "Look at those alphas! They suck. You want... a sneaky male!"

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Aaron Bolyard
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The idea of 'alpha male' and 'beta male' are toxic and reinforce the hurtful idea of masculinity. You can't pigeonhole the spectrum of male identity into two categories. It's hurtful for men and creates self image issues.

Guess what the solution is? Feminism.

Also I'm mostly dating guys so I don't know how that 'alpha/beta' bullshit helps. Regardless, almost everyone I've dated is either not cis and/or straight. So talking about things like how gender is bullshit is a natural topic...

bamccaig
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When I met my future wife I was pretty much on the verge of MGTOW. I'm quiet so I didn't say much on our first date, but I imagine there was some laid back anti-Feminist rhetoric. Basically just trying to chase her off if she was a Feminist before I spent significant time or energy on her. I could never cooperate with a 3rd-wave Feminist. Fortunately, it didn't seem to bother her, and here we are 4 years later.

Append:

A dozen phone numbers in 2 months seems significantly less spectacular when you reveal that most or all of them are men. Males are significantly less picky, and gay or trans people probably are forced to be less picky.

In any case, if you're getting lots of wild sex that you enjoy as a result then good for you. Or if you're developing strong, healthy relationships even better. If neither of these things are occurring perhaps you should refocus your energy.

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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Wow so you're ignorant about LGBT issues too, who would've thought.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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It certainly is confounding how I don't know much about being gay or transsexual, and how you apparently don't know much about the issues that straight, cis-gendered males face. :-/

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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You can't pigeonhole the spectrum of male identity into two categories.

A liberal that doesn't understand statistics, who would have thought. ;)

It's called bimodal. BI. MODAL. You know the word BI, right? :P

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For some super strange reason, new liberals (fun fact: I'm a liberal) don't understand that a spectrum doesn't have to be uniformly distributed, and you can make generalizations based on the fact that >90% of the individuals in each gender fits into a bucket. "Some people are different." Yeah. So? Outliers have nothing to do with the mean. That's why they're outliers. Having data points that move around, doesn't make the mean... stop being the mean.

I took this kind of math my very first semester of college. It's introductory stuff for non-majors.

And although the last century we may see more people openly expressing their dimorphism, that doesn't override literally 50+ million years of genetics. Sexual genes are older than the existence of trees. That's how old we're talking about. A lobster responds to serotonin the same way a human does, and how far are we away from lobsters genetically. That's how far this stuff goes back. You can't wish it away just because it messes with your ideology. There's a reason little girls as early as a few years old, start playing with dolls. Genetics. (Reeeeeeee!) I knew a female professor who took all female toys away from their daughters (evil men!), so her daughters... made their own dolls by dressing up G.I. Joes and Firetrucks. Her poor children.

Baby girls also start looking at people's eyes almost immediately, whereas boys are immediately drawn to objects. We're talking before they can even talk--before we can "indoctrinate them" with "traditional values."

It's so weird how liberals went from being pro-science, to literally ignoring and banning evolution. If this was 1990, I'd swear I was talking to neo-cons. But now neo-libs are the ones who hate science. This world is so strange...

And how new liberals literally think ONE gender is inherently evil. If we said women were the evil gender, people would riot in the streets. But nah, men? Their penises of death control everything. And if being male is evil, then shouldn't we condemn any woman who exhibits EVIL MALE traits? Yeah, that sounds once again... sexist as hell.

Here's a thought. Both genders are neither good or bad, and they serve complimentary and essential, supporting roles. How the hell that became "sexism", makes me weep for humanity.

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Aaron Bolyard
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Where is the scientific literature saying there are "alpha males" and "beta males"?

Also I'm not denying there aren't differences between men and women. That would be a bit silly. I'm saying differences like "why do women not go into STEM" or "why don't women make as much as men" (i.e., why do they make choices that result in them having lower wages) are social things, they aren't evolutionary.

Also you keep calling me a liberal but I'm against the free market so ergo I'm not a liberal, and especially not a neoliberal. Maybe you should read this. I'm a socialist.

Eric Johnson
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January 2013
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I'm against the free market

Just curious, why are you against the free market?

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Where is the scientific literature saying there are "alpha males" and "beta males"?

Jeez, didn't you ever go to high school? Dominance and traits of confidence and being out going are all alpha traits. By your own admission, you're an alpha. This means naturally, you're going to take control of the relationship, and your partner. I bet pretty much every body you've 'dated' is really just a submissive beta. Guess what that makes the two of you? A gender pair, with MASCULINE and FEMININE roles. Oops, it really is all about men and women.

And if you guys didn't know this, or it wasn't obvious from the spelling of the words, but women, are the woe of men. God formed Eve from the rib (curve) ((DNA)) of Adam. They make natural pairs.

NiteHackr
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April 2002
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Just started playing Earth and Beyond again after 16 years! I knew some people worked on creating their own servers etc... since the game shut down in 2004, but didn't think they were still going. Awesome game, great atmosphere (especially the haunting music while flying in space, love it!). Very relaxing, not annoying, I really feel this game would have been a hit if it came out today, I think it was just too early and ahead of it's time back in 2002.

You can get instructions on downloading and getting it running, no cost, totally free here...

https://www.net-7.org/#tab-ingame

Some ingame screenshots I took while flying and mining in an asteroid field...

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Looks like fun Neil. Anyone ever play Wing Commander? That was my favorite space game ever.

NiteHackr
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April 2002
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Oh, and if anyone enters "Earth and Beyond", I am "NiteHackr" in the game. if you can find me... which I am not sure how you would. :)

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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I sucked at Wing Commander as a kid. I'd lose some battles, then I'd see some horrible cinematics of my friends/family being shot to death or something. :o

OH! Sidenote: This is a great video. Talks about a award-winning feminist who went to document the "evil men" in the men's rights activists and realized more and more she was basically "priming" every interview with her presumptions of malice and waiting to see a phrase that triggered her as "proof" they're all evil men. And the more she interviewed, the more she ended up having to come to terms with her own biases. And the second she did that... the liberal/feminist community attacked her.

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Quote:

"When you humanize your enemy, you, in turn, may be dehumanized by your community."

There's a similar story (and reaction from the community) when a feminist, lesbian, went undercover as a man and expected them to be a bunch of bro's who hated on women. Instead, she found men who were unsure how to live up to the expectations of being a husband and/or father, the immense pressures, and the pain of their domestically abusive relationships. And how ("unlike females") the men were instantly accepting of an outsider. And when she went to strip clubs she found not aggressive men... but a bunch of men who were sad and self-hating to be there... that "that" is their only way to meet their sexual needs.

Way more humanizing than modern liberal (ehem--socialists?) want the world to be.

Of course, for daring to think critically, she also was attacked by the establishment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book)

Quote:

"Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." [2][3]

What an evil, toxic person!

I've been reading lots of evolutionary biology and man, it really cuts through the B.S.. Like how new liberals ... socialists? ... are driven by one core feature. Maternity. It's all about "feeling safe." You see it in countless literature. Why not ban a word, if it makes some people feel safer! Except the downside of maternal instincts? It's EXTREMELY divisive by nature. It divides people into us (our babies) and them (predators). So it makes perfect sense why when someone challenges the Narrative (TM) they become a threat... to "our babies". It's also why evils committed by the "in group" (our babies!) are overlooked. Muslims shoot up a store? Let's ignore it. They've been oppressed. Christian shoots up a school? LOOK AT THESE EVIL WHITE MEN OF DEATH. And when two in-groups fight, they ignore it. Like black-on-black crime, or a Muslim (in-group) killing dozens of gays (in-group) in one of the worst shootings in US history.

Likewise, when a Feminist sees that all men aren't evil, they become a "threat" to the status quo. The safety of "ma babies."

The key here is... none of it has to do with logic, at any level, except protecting babies.

There's countless examples. Laci Green was a typical SJW feminist, and still is a feminist. She hosted sexual education and women's body rights YouTube videos. Great gal, right? But she DARED to commit the ULTIMATE EVIL! Chop off women's genitals in Pakistan. No, just kidding, that's okay. She dared to DATE ... a men's rights activist.

What should be the ultimate story of "love conquers all", is a story of a betrayer who sold out her kind to the enemy.

It took me a decade but I finally "figured it out". It's all biology.

(Like how conservatives are driven by a dislike of difference, and skepticism of outsiders. And liberals are driven more by a welcome of difference and outsiders. Problem is, both are actually valid points depending on the world climate.)

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Polybios
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October 2010

"why do women not go into STEM" or "why don't women make as much as men" (i.e., why do they make choices that result in them having lower wages) are social things

Maybe they just don' want to because of ... biology?

Over here, there are lots of initiatives to encourage girls to go into STEM, but percentages remain low. Is it the evil patriarchy suppressing all those smart girls whose deepest secret wishes are to become programmers? I somehow doubt it.

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