Evolution should have patented apes before it was too late. That's not a very nice thing to do, God. And he took all the credit!

And you let other people examine your beliefs intelligently and they arrived at very different conclusions. What makes you right and them wrong?

As a neuroscientist, I find this notion insulting. We will find out how the brain works, and there will be no god.

As for being extreme and inflexible... it's better to be extreme and inflexible and right than be extreme and inflexible and wrong. And the rightness of forcing people to provide tangible (and not "intelligent" self-introspection or personal communions) evidence and provide reproducible experimentation and provide predictions is evidenced by the absolutely incredible increase in the scientific understanding of essentially everything that we can observe and the corresponding technological advances.

What evidence is for not making tangible predictions (when you die? You must be joking), not providing tangible evidence being right? Some stress reduction is about the only one I can think of.

Maybe I'll learn that I was wrong when I die. I think I'll take the certainty of being right while I'm alive though.

But then you'll know the mind of god

They are related to the extent Neil Roy thinks the brain's complexity requires a god. I meant that there will be no god in the brain.

The same thing that makes you right and me wrong.

My thoughts exactly.

My thoughts exactly.

You think they're bugs, perhaps you just haven't discovered what they are used for? To be honest though, I don't know anything about genetics, ask God.

Arguing from a Judeo-Christian point of view, it can be said that the "genetic bugs" and mutations are the accumulated result of thousands of years of human reproduction; mutations occur and are passed on to progeny just like any other living thing.

Edit: that's assuming you were referring to harmful mutations, but just generally useless ones.

I have absolutely no problem with people thinking about things and trying to understand the way of the universe.

Its those that use "God did it" to stop thinking that I don't agree with. Since its easier to say "God did it" than to think about things you don't understand.

Still not following, but I probably shouldn't jump into other people's conversations anyway.

I say "ask God" because I am not a genetisist. And unlike most Atheists in here, I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the universe. There is no way I am going to take a course in genetics just to answer a question in a forum that will only be argued endlessly anyhow.

When I say "ask God" it's because I don't know the answer, but I don't mean to imply God's waved a magic wand and used magic. I do feel that we can understand how it is all done given time, but I strongly feel that all the laws scientist discover that govern our lives (gravity, inertia etc...) were created by God.

I hope that someday I can fully understand how God did everything and in fact the bible states that after the return of Christ, all knowledge will become available to us, I look forward to that day because like you, I have a lot of questions.

Yeah, I do get easily sucked into these types of threads, but I enjoy the conversation so long as it doesn't get insulting or too sarcastic. I respect people's point of views and understand a little how they have a hard time believing in a creator. I'm being VERY careful what I say though as I know what types of replies certain comments/opinions from me will spark.

PLEASE, feel free to jump in, take over even!

I was quite surprised how aggressive SiegeLord was

My view is that most religious people treat religion as a personal choice, they don't push it on other people, they are smart enough not to allow their religion to screw them over (do you notice how most religious people are not Scientologists?), and they do not have an issue with science. I don't see a problem.

Your view is compromised. Maybe there's a tree blocking North America...

Too bad they didn't give you a science journal.

SiegeLord, I don't give a rats a$$ what you think. I would have thought you could have figured that out by now, seeing as how you're so smart.