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Love letters - OR - Yet another failed thread about a woman...
james_lohr
Member #1,947
February 2002

but I think I'll wait to hear bambam's hilarious reply.

It's going to be long. He may need to submit it as a pdf. ;D

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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If she's married leave her alone, I think the lack of a reply should have gave you the answer.

And then you send more letters and CD's! she's probably now scared for her life and has contacted the police asking for guidance on stalkers.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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From a married women's perspective, that's creepy, especially with what you said.

And for a girl, that's really scary.

Gender and marital status has nothing to do with it - I would think it was creepy.

Letter #2 said:

You are a difficult woman to track down. I keep trying to find a current address for you

Letter #3 said:

After some extensive searching, I came across the information I hoped I would never find. It looks like you are married to someone named XXXXXX. I must admit, I am quite jealous of him. He has the life I wished I had had.

:-X

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Matthew Leverton
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gnolam said:

Gender and marital status has nothing to do with it - I would think it was creepy.

The context of my quote was simply "sending a letter." A married women is likely to think receiving any letter is creepy.

If I got letters similar to these from a woman, my creeper radar would go off too.

gnolam
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March 2002
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Quote:

a married women

Quote:

A married women

>:(

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Dennis
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July 2003
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In my defense, the bit about wishing that we had gotten married was followed in the letter by "but I guess that will never happen now, and I will have to find a way to deal with that."

Read the bold line again with the mindset of a person who feels threatened by the one who wrote it.

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Also in my defense, I told her I hoped she was happy with him and that he treated her right.

What's between them is none of your business. You don't know it, you're not supposed to know it and you don't want to know it. And that line screams that you'd wish he actually did not treat her right so you could jump in and be the hero to save her.

As others have already said. Forget about the whole thing and move on. Don't worry about her, she's fine and she does not worry about you either (except maybe she's scared to death).

van_houtte
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January 2010
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1) No

2) No

3) She obviously wants you to leave her alone, respect that.

All in all, you did what you wanted/felt like which is awesome.
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jmasterx
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One of the biggest problems is that it's a letter and not face to face. If she intersected you at a mall or something then it might be different. For me personally, if I got a letter from anyone I hadn't seen in 15 years I'd be a little crept out. For all she knows, you could be a serial killer now writing from prison.

Just respect her wishes and let it go.

AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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Hahaha man you're crazy, you sound like:

"Hi Sara I'm Edgar, remember me?, I really love you, I wish you was married with 
me, take this, is a CD of some music, you'll like it, and your husband too, I put 
some music for your kids too, I use to watch them at the school almost all day, 
they're really beautiful. Oh btw I know your husband too, he doesn't know, but I 
see it almost all day when he get out of the job, we use to talk. I just wanted to 
tell you that I really love you I wish we were married!, you catch it now?, I WISH 
WE WERE MARRIED!, I know where you live, and where your parents live too, don't 
take this too seriously, I hope you're happy with your husband, I don't like him 
too much, though.

With love, Edgar R.

PS: I don't like the clothes you bought to your kids for this Christmas, is too 
RED."

I don't know what you're talking about. If women are so simple and easy to figure out, then why did someone who used to be involved with me completely ignore me and then threaten me with the police? I would have been happy with any reply, but she chose to completely ignore me and then treat me like a criminal instead of treating me like a friend, which I am.

She is in another world now man, she is married and has passed too much time... Surely she didn't remember you, you did because you're not married, you are in a very different position than her. I think what relpatseht is true: "damn, do you spend any time with women at all? They aren't that complex, dude".

Because if you where "on the move" you wouldn't be missing here that much. Try to meet new people, and of course women. Take care man.

van_houtte
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January 2010
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"Hi Sara I'm Edgar, remember me?, I really love you, I wish you was married with
me, take this, is a CD of some music, you'll like it, and your husband too, I put
some music for your kids too, I use to watch them at the school almost all day,
they're really beautiful. Oh btw I know your husband too, he doesn't know, but I
see it almost all day when he get out of the job, we use to talk. I just wanted to
tell you that I really love you I wish we were married!, you catch it now?, I WISH
WE WERE MARRIED!, I know where you live, and where your parents live too, don't
take this too seriously, I hope you're happy with your husband, I don't like him
too much, though.

With love, Edgar R.

PS: I don't like the clothes you bought to your kids for this Christmas, is too
RED."

Sound accurate actually.

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Post a scan of her year book photo (or recent one if you've got any from your telephoto lens) and we'll have a vote as to whether it's worth risking jail for.

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

I'm most sure someone has already said this (how could I know without actually reading all posts?) but really you've moved on 15 years. And she has. Why on earth would you move back 15 years? Moving on means aiming for new things in one's life, new friends, new relationships. Nothing wrong with old friends, but this is not it.

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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

Was I wrong trying to contact her and make amends after 15 years apart?

Yes, definitely. There are plenty of women around, it's wrong to try and warm up an old relation like that. It's very rare to work.

Dizzy Egg
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March 2009
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Sorry but everything about it was weird; the letterS, the mix cd's? Man oh man. And I'm not being nasty, I know how it feels, but you were just being creepy!

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Jonatan Hedborg
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July 2004
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I want to post this thread on my facebook wall.

bamccaig
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July 2006
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As many know, I am uniquely qualified to give you advice on this subject. ;D Surely you remember my threads. If not you can search for them. Hell, you probably even participated in them. People are comparing you to me now. Do you realize now what you've done?! ;D It took a whole lot of beer for me to get over my feelings, but now I see just how ridiculous I was. :D

I came across a picture of myself and a girl I used to date at my Senior Prom about 15 years ago. I started to really miss her, and so I looked her up on the internet. I found out she was living about 1000 miles away and I wrote a letter to her. I was the one who broke up with her and I might not have done it in the best way. I just stopped talking to her.

This sounds pretty harmless so far.

In my letter I told her that I regretted leaving her more than anything else in my life and that I was still in love with her and that I wished we had gotten married.

Ooops, nope, there it is. :-X Saying that you regretted leaving her more than anything in your life is a very frightening thing for somebody that has moved on. :) Surely you can imagine that. It might work out in the movies, but in real life those people have moved on. :-/ I'm afraid that you had your chance with her 15 years ago and blew it. That's OK though. That's normal. :) You live and learn. Your mistake was confusing real life with fiction. In fiction (a book, a movie, a video game) you can write a letter like that after 15 years of not speaking to her and she'll just come running into your arms. In real life, it does not work that way. Ever. Consider this a learning experience.

I also found out that she was married now and I told her I hoped she was happy with him and that he treated her right.

You're contradicting yourself. You just said that you regretted leaving her more than anything, love her, and want to be married to her. You can't possibly also want her to be happy in her marriage. These are completely polar opposite things.

I thought that when we were together we had something really special together.

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So I sent her my letter and I waited a month for her to reply but she never did. I wasn't sure if she had received my letter so I wrote her another one.

OK, this is where you really have to understand the inappropriateness of your actions. It was mostly harmless to send her the first letter. It was inappropriate though to tell a married woman that you still love her and want to be married to her. It was dishonest to tell her that you wish her happiness in her existing marriage. Sending another letter when you didn't get a reply was completely inappropriate.

The postal service knows what it's doing (for the most part). You should never assume in such a situation that the letter mysteriously didn't get to its destination. Surely you can see how optimistic that line of thinking is. While it is possible, it's also possible that she just chose not to respond (which in hindsight should seem likely given the inappropriateness and contradictions of your first letter). In other words, she chose to ignore you because she has moved on, has a life with her husband, and wants nothing to do with you. You unfortunately kept pushing, as if you have the right to a response (but you don't). :) That doesn't necessarily make you crazy. You are human and you make mistakes, just like the rest of us. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

I had also made her two mix CD's. I sent them both together in a package.

This gave me a laugh. :D Mix CD's (AKA "mix tapes")? It's so juvenile. And not just one, but two! One wasn't enough?! :) You should take a minute to laugh at yourself for this because it's quite silly. :) Again, you're human, so don't beat yourself up too much. Women make men do stupid shit.

The post office left a notice for her to come pick up my package but after two weeks she never did. It took two more weeks for my package to come back to me. After that I amended my second letter asking her if she hated me, why she didn't pick up my package, and if she was still angry with me. I told her how I was missing her and that I wanted to make things up to her for what I did. I asked her if we could be friends again and if she would please reply to me.

Letter #1 was inappropriate. :P You should be able to work out how much more inappropriate letter #2 and #2.1 were. It doesn't matter why she's not responding to you. Whatever the reason it isn't going to be good for you. :) It's time to drink your drink and forget her. You live a separate life and it doesn't matter what she thinks. There are some 7 billion people on the planet and not all of them are going to like you. :) That too is OK and normal.

So I sent my amended second letter sans the CD's and big suprise,...

Big surprise (other than the CD's)? :o

I couldn't understand why she hadn't replied to me, so I wrote her a third letter. This time I told her I couldn't understand why she hadn't replied to me. I thought maybe I had said something inappropriate so I told her I was sorry if I had. I told her her silence was hurting my feelings and asked her again to please speak with me.

You can't understand why she didn't reply before because you aren't thinking straight. That's what "love" does to you. I'm afraid it isn't destiny, it isn't magical, it isn't God's will. It's just chemical reactions in your brain. :( They are normal and natural, but that doesn't make them right. :)

So I sent my third letter and 10 days later I finally received a communication from her, and she told me to 'cease and desist' all attempts to contact her or she would contact the authorities.

Of course she did! :P I'm afraid that your actions were indeed very creepy. Just because it feels good doesn't mean you should do it. ;D

Was I wrong trying to contact her and make amends after 15 years apart?

Trying to contact her was harmless. You weren't trying to make amends though. There was probably nothing to make amends for! Getting dumped is just part of relationships. It's nothing to apologize for 15 years later. Your letter was actually to confess your feelings for her hoping that she would return them and you'd both live happily ever after. Unfortunately, you live in the real world, and instead you creeped her out. :( Again, you're human, you make mistakes. Learn from this experience.

All I ever asked of her was to forgive me and to speak to me. All I wanted was to know how she's been and how she is now. Is this an unreasonable request to make of someone I used to be involved with, someone I took to my Senior Prom?

That isn't what you really wanted. It's blatantly obvious. You have convinced yourself of good intentions, but unfortunately your real intentions were to run away to France with her. :P

It doesn't matter who she used to be to you. :) That was a long time ago and things are different. It's not unreasonable to apologize to somebody, but how she's doing is really none of your business after so long. Had you been a lot less forthcoming then maybe you would have become friends and then you could have learned how she is doing. Instead, you tried to force yourself into her life (and into her arms, even) in one letter. That was not reasonable no matter how you used to know her. :)

She is an individual and it is entirely up to her if she wants to communicate with you, or if she wants to forgive you (or if there's even anything to forgive you for).

Is my behaviour immoral or illegal? What if I sent her one last letter to say goodbye? Could I go to jail?

You likely couldn't go to jail, but she could get a restraining order taken against you. Your behavior is certainly inappropriate.

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Yes. Especially the part where you said "In my letter I told her that I regretted leaving her more than anything else in my life and that I was still in love with her and that I wished we had gotten married."

Ooooh, I missed that bit. Yeah, that's where she phoned and inquired about the restraining order. You don't say that to a married woman. Ever.

Telling a woman that you love them and want to be married to them is a very serious thing. You don't say that to any woman after 15 years of no communication. :P Hell, you don't even say that to a girlfriend until the relationship is mature and stable (months, if not years, together). In fact, you probably shouldn't ever say that. :-X

Calls out of the blue are much less intrusive than letters.

Note: this does not mean that you should try to call her now. That ship has sailed. :P You can never try to contact her again. Even still, in the state of mind that you were in, a phone call would not have gone any better. :) Believe me, I've been there too. :-X

We do live a 1000 miles apart. It's not like I'm gonna hop on the next plane to XXXX and show up at her house.

She doesn't know that.

Well, my letter definitely wasn't that short, but I don't think I said too much. I was honest and friendly and said what I thought needed to be said. There were some things that needed to be said that couldn't have been said so briefly.

Nothing needed to be said. :) She is happily married and long over you. You wanted to say something hoping for a miracle, but in hindsight you should see how foolish it was. :)

And do you seriously recommend passing notes to her friends to give to her?

No, he is trolling you. You aren't in high school anymore. :P If you have a mutual friend still then you could have arranged a get together or something, but again it would not have worked out. She'd still be married and have no time for you. It would be even more inappropriate to try to go through her friends that you also don't know anymore. :P

Honestly, I don't see what I did wrong. I think I'd like a second opinion.

I am over-qualified for this: what you did was wrong. :P

I never made threats, I didn't try to intimidate her, I didn't ask her to get back together with me. All I ever asked of her was to forgive me and to speak to me. All I did was ask her how she's been. I don't think that is a grievous request to make, especially of someone you used to have an intimate relationship with.

You did strongly imply that you wanted to get back together with her, even while admitting to knowing that she was married! Moreso, there was probably nothing to forgive you for. And there's no reason to speak to you. You live completely separate lives. At this point in time you are just as much strangers as any other random person you pass in the street.

Edgar, I think you should deactivate your emotion chip for now. :-/

^ This. You're not thinking straight. You need to move on. Either give it time or give it alcohol[1].

I think I know what you're feeling... you just got to wait it out. Acknowledge the feelings and allow them to exorcize themselves. Be confident in the knowledge that when you're under a powerful emotional force like this, it will cause you to make poor decisions and bad judgements, and, just give it time.

This is absolutely correct. Distract yourself with other things. Other people or hobbies or work. Don't allow yourself to think about her anymore. There's no point. She has made her position clear. Trust me, once you get over it you feel much better in general.

I was going to post some more great advice, but I think I'll wait to hear bambam's hilarious reply.

8-)

It's going to be long. He may need to submit it as a pdf. ;D

>:( ... ;D

jmasterx said:

One of the biggest problems is that it's a letter and not face to face. If she intersected you at a mall or something then it might be different. For me personally, if I got a letter from anyone I hadn't seen in 15 years I'd be a little crept out. For all she knows, you could be a serial killer now writing from prison.

No. It wouldn't matter. He is not in the right state of mind to be just friendly with her. He wants more than is realistic. There is no way it could have worked out happily and it's for the best that it didn't. After 15 years she is probably a completely different person anyway. He is in "love" with a memory. Things change.

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  1. If you decide to take the alcohol solution then be damn sure you don't have access to an E-mail account, telephone, or stamps. :P You have already done way too much. You don't want to get drunk and try to contact her then. :P
Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Yep! TL;DR!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

l j
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January 2009
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TL;DR was still too long.

SiegeLord
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October 2006
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Get a (female) friend to proofread your letters next time. If you have none, don't do this again until you get someone to proofread your letters. You are anti-qualified to talk/write to women.

Making amends is fine (if that's really what you wanted to do, see bamccaig's post)... but you've done it in the worst possible way.

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Bob Keane
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June 2006

No, don't get a female friend to proof your letters. Why did she say "cease and desist" as opposed to "Leave me alone"? Because she has already talked to a lawyer and/or the police. Drop it and move on.

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SiegeLord
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October 2006
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Bob Keane said:

No, don't get a female friend to proof your letters

Why not? If he had, all of this would have been caught before the first letter was even sent. "Next time" obviously means "next female from his past life he wants to stalk".

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james_lohr
Member #1,947
February 2002

I've had more than one woman that I was involved with stop talking to me without explanation. I forgave them.

So it was okay to break up with her by not speaking to her because others have done the same to you and you got over it? That sounds like paedophile logic: if you were abused as a kid, and you think that you "turned out fine" that does not give you the right to abuse kids.

Anyway, I second SeigeLord's suggestion of getting someone else to proof read your emails/letters. I also think that you need to be chaperoned, preferably by an armed officer, the next time you are in the city where she lives. :P

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Alright, the verdict is in...

If drunk bambam thinks something is a bad idea, then IT IS A BAD IDEA!!!

There are plenty of single and available and prettier women out there, get out there and party, you will meet someone.

Edgar, I nominate Mr. Y to be your life coach. 8-)

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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If drunk bambam thinks something is a bad idea, then IT IS A BAD IDEA!!!

I'm going to quote that at inopportune times!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Evert
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November 2000
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Oh boy...

Long story short, you do not send [i]love[/i] letters to someone you have not seen in 15 years after breaking up with them. It's not necessarily bad to catch up with people you knew 15 years ago (hey, I sometimes wonder about people I used to know 15 or even 20 years ago) but going out of your way to contact them is a bit creepy. If you try to contact them and they do not respond, then the message is clear: they're not interested, so you should let it go. Sending them further stuff is likely to annoy them or creep them out.
Sure, they may have been waiting for you to write these past 15 years and your message just happened to slip through the system and not turn up for another 15 years, but that's really clutching at straws.

So, wrong to send a message? No, not necessarily. Wouldn't have done more than a christmas card myself though.
Content of said message? Dubious
Repeated messages after no reply? Big, big no.

Sorry. :-/



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