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Google announces new OS
decepto
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April 2006
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Huge news.

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The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel.

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Boom!

Ron Novy
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March 2006
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\o/ Yay... Not too impressive at the moment, but if it goes 64 bit then I'm sold.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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decepto said:

on top of a Linux kernel

It's just another window manager

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

blargmob
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February 2007
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Cool 8-)

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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It's just another window manager

Agreed. At the moment, It's no more an OS than Windows 3.1 was.

Timorg
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March 2002

It sounds much more like a GNU/Linux distribution, with a specialised desktop environment. But it has pricked my curiosity, so I am interested to see exactly what they are trying to pull off. It does remind me of one of the Ubuntu derivatives, (the name eludes me,) where it boots to a simple desktop, with buttons for a browser/email/movie player.

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Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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I'd guess that netbooks are the main target for now? It's back once again to the thin client!

Sol Blast
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April 2008
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If they work past the compulsory command line crap (or at least don't sell it as a frickin' positive) then i'll give it a shot.

Timorg
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March 2002

If they market to specific netbooks, they could avoid a lot of the hassles that come with setting up Linux, (and configuring from the command line,) as they have a specific configuration. You just select your netbook and it automatically configures on install.

All the manual configuration I have encountered has come down to installing modules/drivers, or dealing with specific issues that come from my setup.

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Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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I think most of the netbooks are based on very similar designs, so it should be relatively easy to provide the OS to manufacturers and to users as and through an all graphical installation.

I think we're possibly missing the big part of the news though:

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Google Chrome OS will run on both x86 as well as ARM chips

They're legitimising a cheaper technology in a highly cost sensitive segment of the market for which Microsoft's only competing product is Windows CE.

EDIT: oh, and I guess it's good for the web in general if it pushes WebKit further, since it helps maintain the number of statistically significant rendering engines at three, hopefully avoiding a repeat of the "this site is designed only for Internet Explorer 6"-type times towards the start of the decade.

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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They want their computers to always run as fast as when they first bought them. They want their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files. Even more importantly, they don't want to spend hours configuring their computers to work with every new piece of hardware, or have to worry about constant software updates.

That seems to be the holy grail.

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Timorg
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March 2002

MacOS has this advantage, a limited set of hardware, so they can offer those features.

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Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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It also has no idiotic registry and, for some reason, application developers have not adopted the practice of installing a bit of themselves to start when the machine is launched, so gets a lot of the not slowing down over time without having to rely on tightly controlled hardware.

In any case, I suspect an implicit part of Google's argument is that people want that sort of OS and they also want to be able to buy small formfactor computers for £200–£300.

EDIT: that said, some very messy software like Parallels Desktop (a virtualisation program) does install a bunch of junk seemingly designed just to bog your computer down. I assume they need the kernel extension, but there's so much other bodgey marketing-type junk that I really would no longer recommend it to anyone who likes their computers to remain sane. For example, it by default assumes that you want all Windows programs to show up as options for file and filetype association within OS X. It assumes this before you first launch the OS and doesn't give you a chance to disable it. If you disable it later on, it'll stop generating new associations but it won't kill the old ones. Luckily, file associations are an inherent property of applications under OS X (ie, not some hacky process of pushing junk into the registry on a first run and, only if well written, asking permission first should anyone else already be connected as the default), so the method it uses of creating miniature program stubs and putting them in an obscure folder in your ~/Library makes them easy to remove if you know what you're doing. However, the digging around and modifying files method of machine maintenance is not exactly what people sign up to OS X for.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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And hows this better than the many 'quick boot' systems already in place, e.g. the one embedded in all new asus laptops and being ported to a standalone program that provides web,email, skype, IM.

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Sounds like Symphony OS, using Chrome instead of Mezzo.

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Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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And hows this better than the many 'quick boot' systems already in place, e.g. the one embedded in all new asus laptops and being ported to a standalone program that provides web,email, skype, IM.

They've not suggested it is technologically, but I guess it's better for people that want to sell netbooks because it has the Google name — for me "do you want to pay a bit more for Microsoft or pay less and go with Google?" sounds a lot better than "do you want to pay a bit more for Microsoft or pay less and go with Linpus?". As a result, it's good for Google because it really kicks Microsoft in the teeth. Then it's better for you and I if it forces Microsoft to start tending more towards thin and light, optimised for common tasks than engineering everything with a requirement for Windows 3.1 compatibility. If whatever bloat and insecurity Windows still has is a result of its own earlier success (which I think it largely is) then a decent sized competitor coming along and proving that people don't necessarily care about that stuff any more is good for everyone.

Kibiz0r
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September 2005
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If whatever bloat and insecurity Windows still has is a result of its own earlier success (which I think it largely is) then a decent sized competitor coming along and proving that people don't necessarily care about that stuff any more is good for everyone.

Amen.

I like how Google announcing an OS is good news for Windows users.

Samuel Henderson
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August 2003
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Yeah, this seems like it's going to bring about positive changes.

I wonder if Google is setting out to make money from this venture by perhaps charging OEMs. That doesn't really sound reasonable though.

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And by reasonable I mean counter intuitive. Supposedly it will be open source and freely available for everyone, so why charge OEMS?

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Kibiz0r
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September 2005
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They said how it fits into their business model in that post:

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And any time our users have a better computing experience, Google benefits as well by having happier users who are more likely to spend time on the Internet.

Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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The page said:

People want to get to their email instantly, without wasting time waiting for their computers to boot and browsers to start up.

I already don't waste time starting my browser to get my email. :P

Eh. It doesn't sound that bad to me, I guess, but I don't want my OS tied to the internet. If the 'net goes down, I can still remain productive/entertained with programming, watching movies, playing games, modding said games, etc.

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Kibiz0r
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Kitty Cat said:

If the 'net goes down, I can still remain productive/entertained with programming, watching movies, playing games, modding said games, etc.

When my net goes down, I remain productive by cycling my modem for hours on end in a futile attempt to regain access.

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Kitty Cat said:

If the 'net goes down, I can still remain productive/entertained with programming, watching movies, playing games, modding said games, etc.

I want to be able to start my car even if the battery is dead by using the hand crank at the front.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Kibiz0r
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September 2005
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I believe the net equivalent of a hand crank would be finding wifi. ;D

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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If anything, it should encourage cross-platform development and some type of application standards.

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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This is what I was referring to in my last post, i.e. how is this new google os different

http://www.splashtop.com/

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