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axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

X-G said:

I see you've never played the game either.

I am not interested in filth.

Jonatan Hedborg
Member #4,886
July 2004
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I have played the game, and I don't see the big deal. It's quite poorly made (as all of Illusion Soft's games)... It's just another h-game with a slight twist (not even very prominent... Almost all H-games seem to feature semi-consensual sex in some way). The only thing that makes it stand apart is that it explicitly states that it's about rape (the name). If it had the name "subway stalker" instead, it would not receive the same hysteria. It's just another crappy h-game.

And besides, there is no use trying to forbid these things - if there is a market (and there is), people will make and buy them.

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X-G
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December 2000
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axilmar said:

I am not interested in filth.

Yet you seem perfectly content to pretend to know details about the game. It's not at all the way you describe it. You sound like someone claiming GTA has explicit images of mutilation and explicitly tells you to torture people.

I have played the game, and I don't see the big deal. It's quite poorly made (as all of Illusion Soft's games)... It's just another h-game with a slight twist (not even very prominent... Almost all H-games seem to feature semi-consensual sex in some way). The only thing that makes it stand apart is that it explicitly states that it's about rape (the name). If it had the name "subway stalker" instead, it would not receive the same hysteria. It's just another crappy h-game.

If it wasn't clear, I have also played the game, and the above quote is entirely accurate. There is nothing that makes this game stand out from the crowd other than its name and the overblown hysteria it has garnered.

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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Based on what I have seen and read, the name doesn't accurately describe the gameplay and frankly the game doesn't look all that bad to me. :-/

Fladimir da Gorf
Member #1,565
October 2001
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bamccaig, did you read SomethingAwful's review of it?

If there are people who fancy about killing they should go check their heads. I don't play Cod 4 because I fancy killing, but to practice my reflexes. But these types of sex games are for those who fantasize about raping girls (even children), so what can I say. Intended for sick freaks.

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September 2002
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Intended for sick freaks.

There is no need to alienate such people. I don't see why you won't just let people fantasise about whatever they like. Does anyone pick on you for your fantasies? Have you never fantasised about anything that is morally questionable?

Come on. Live and let live.

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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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There are a lot of ways to practice reflexes that don't involve spraying enemy soldiers in the head. ::)

Honestly, COD4 isn't going to make somebody want to kill people any more than RapeLay is going to make people want to rape people (and like I said, from what I've seen of the gameplay, it doesn't really scream "rape" to me, which I define as violent and forceful sexual assault).

When I play a game, the story the developers provide is usually a rough draft that I revise in my own fantasy as I play through the game. The developers may say I'm killing for sport, for example, but maybe I would instead rewrite that part of the story to rationalize that I had no choice or was doing good in some way. I would do the same thing while playing a game like this. The writers may say I'm violently raping a girl, but that wouldn't appeal to my fantasies. I would prefer something voluntary and would rewrite the story accordingly.

Or if the game was designed in such a way that there was no way around it, I just wouldn't play. Eminem once said in an interview (which I can't find online for the life of me...) that when he's watching something on TV that disgusts him he turns it off. He doesn't keep watching it. "This disgusts me, I think I'm going to watch it."[1] The same is true of books, music, movies, and games. If somebody plays a game it's because it appeals to them on some level. The game will not create rapists. Real life does that, I'm afraid.

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  1. An approximate quote of Eminem being sarcastic during said interview, which was probably sometime around 1996-2001.
Fladimir da Gorf
Member #1,565
October 2001
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There is no need to alienate such people. I don't see why you won't just let people fantasise about whatever they like. Does anyone pick on you for your fantasies? Have you never fantasised about anything that is morally questionable?

Well if someone would come and tell me that they fantasize about violently raping children, I'd still think he's a sicko. Maybe that's just me. But I have rights for my opinion just like everyone else.

bamccaig said:

and like I said, from what I've seen of the gameplay, it doesn't really scream "rape" to me, which I define as violent and forceful sexual assault

What if it did? At least the youngest child in the game is crying...

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The game will not create rapists. Real life does that, I'm afraid.

Sure I never said that. It all depends on how the player sees the game.

I just wonder that violent porn is banned at least here (Finland). Sure this is not real, but if it were more "real", including real-life actors, how about then? Some would say that it's still all about fantasizing...

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Oh btw, there was recently a case here that a child doctor was caught on child porn. You could say that he's just fantasizing about having sex with children, but for some reason he still lost his job...

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Kibiz0r
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September 2005
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This thread simultaneously amuses and depresses me. Good job, everyone.

Karadoc ~~
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September 2002
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Well if someone would come and tell me that they fantasize about violently raping children, I'd still think he's a sicko. Maybe that's just me. But I have rights for my opinion just like everyone else.

But no one is doing that. No one is coming up to you and saying that they fantasise about violently raping children... yet you have still jumped on the opportunity to preemptively insult and alienate anyone who might sometimes think that way. You are entitled to your opinion. I just don't think it is constructive or nice to say the things you are saying. I have opinions as well, but I don't go around saying "such and such people are sickos". It's like saying "I hate you" to someone you have never met, just because you don't like their t-shirt.

But whatever. Say what you like. Think what you like. I'm just trying to counterbalance some of the views here so that we don't all get caught up in some kind of mob mentality.

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Oscar Giner
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April 2002
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Oh BTW, there was recently a case here that a child doctor was caught on child porn. You could say that he's just fantasizing about having sex with children, but for some reason he still lost his job...

Ehhh, child porn is real. There're real child being abused. That's the difference. It's not about what he's fantasizing about, but about real child being involved.

Anyway, I played the game some time ago, and it sucks :P like most Illusion games. Most hentai games have at least one rape scene (and child sex scenes too, and even a mixture of both :O), so I really don't understand why all the discussion for this specific game. You may not believed me, but I've played a good amount of hentai games and I still haven't raped anyone nor feel the need for it :o

One data you may be interested: a good percentage of women have fantasies about being rapped. So that means women want to get rapped in real life? ::)

PD: is it just me, or the spellchecker is very broken?

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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"rapped" is a valid word!

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Albin Engström
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December 2006
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It's not about what he's fantasizing about, but about real child being involved.

I agree, but one should know that non-real child porn is just as illegal(at least here in sweden, how are your laws?).

Imagine that by law you are not allowed to make or own any painting that looks like it contains children(under 18) having sex with something or posing sexually.. Not only does it occur all the time in movies, but the police simply ignore to block sites such as deviantart and other well known sites for some reason. It's like they've run out real child porn so to keep their job they have to pick on other kind of porn to look like they're make progress.. but blocking well known sites(devinatart anyone?) and movies would of course enlighting more people that they aren't as free as they think they are.

Of course no one would admit this is wrong beacuse that would make them look very bad, it might not have a huge impact on our lives but I still feel violated. :'(

axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

X-G said:

Yet you seem perfectly content to pretend to know details about the game. It's not at all the way you describe it. You sound like someone claiming GTA has explicit images of mutilation and explicitly tells you to torture people.

Why do I need to play it in order to criticize it? I read the wikipedia article, and I was disgusted enough. A game that makes the player rape girls is filth, clearly and absolutely.

You can't compare this game with GTA. With GTA, your purpose is not to derive pleasure from other people's pain, but to exploit others for money and power. There is a huge difference.

I don't see why you won't just let people fantasise about whatever they like.

And when the person fantasizing about these things comes and rapes your daughter, what would you say?

You may not believed me, but I've played a good amount of hentai games and I still haven't raped anyone nor feel the need for it

Perhaps we should have a license for these games. Only the mentally stable people should play them. On the other hand, why are you enjoying it? are you a sadist?

X-G
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December 2000
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axilmar said:

You can't compare this game with GTA.

That's not what I said. Read it again.

(Spoiler: You're misrepresenting the content of the game, just like one would if one would say GTA contains scenes of wanton mutilation.)

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Perhaps we should have a license for these games. Only the mentally stable people should play them.

Well, then I'll be sure to keep it away from you. Have you stopped beating your wife?

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Oscar Giner
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April 2002
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one should know that non-real child porn is just as illegal(at least here in sweden, how are your laws?).

You mean pictures or drawing of childs? Here it's legal, as long as no real child has been used (as model, or for the voice, for example).

There's a courious case I found today while looking for some info: in the english version of the game Nocturnal Ilusion, the age of one of the girls was changed to be 18 (she was underage in the Japanese version it seems). My guess from this is that's this is perfectly legal in Japan. The Japanese version was censored though (like all hgames), so talk about weird laws :P

axilmar said:

Perhaps we should have a license for these games. Only the mentally stable people should play them. On the other hand, why are you enjoying it? are you a sadist?

Oh, I don't enjory that part. I think I played 10 mins rapelay and got bored. And I don't really enjoy the rape scenes in other games, it doesn't really turn me on :P

axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

X-G said:

That's not what I said. Read it again.

(Spoiler: You're misrepresenting the content of the game, just like one would if one would say GTA contains scenes of wanton mutilation.)

Doesn't the game put you in someone's shoes that commit rapes?

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Well, then I'll be sure to keep it away from you. Have you stopped beating your wife?

Have you stopped beating your penis? obviously not...

Albin Engström
Member #8,110
December 2006
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axilmar said:

Perhaps we should have a license for these games. Only the mentally stable people should play them. On the other hand, why are you enjoying it? are you a sadist?

And how do you determine if someone is mentally ill?.. please use words that actually describe what you want, in this case you mean stripping away rights that everyone have from humans that you have don't really know anything about.

Karadoc said:

And when the person fantasizing about these things comes and rapes your daughter, what would you say?

I'm sorry that some people do such things, but I don't think destroying the lives of many many more people based on the assumption that they could do harm to someone is a good thing either. Bad experience of one "normal" human or the destruction of life for 2 future possible rapists?.. I don't find that decision hard.

I like to think that I would be reasonable if someone raped my future daughter or son or whatever it may be, but the truth is I would probably kick the rapers head against wall if I had a chance, I know I don't live under the fear that many people do (imaginary or not), not much happens here in sweden, but I see no reason why people could not show more sense when it comes to the functionally of our society.

Also.. just beacuse you take away things that revolves around certain things does not mean people can't gain interest anyway, actually, I'd go as far to say I'd might get worse if someone goes without the means to satisfy his/her sexual needs.

Onewing
Member #6,152
August 2005
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There are billions of people on this planet and they vary greatly. I imagine if you took a large enough sample and had them play a game where the objective was to rape people (whether that's the way RapeLay is setup or not), you'd have three groups of people:

  • People who enjoy the game or actually find it to be a healthy way to satisfy their needs/imagination/fantasy

  • People who don't enjoy the game or are repulsed by it

  • People who's curiosity is peaked and tempts them to actually attempt something in real life

To be fair, this list would be the same for a shooting/killing game. For that reason alone, these raping games cannot be banned. However, for that last reason in the list (and if you don't believe that list item should exist, read the first sentence of this post), it cannot be mainstream media. Whether there's some kind of ID check or psyche test that has to be passed, there just has to be something to reduce the size of that last group.

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kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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Who wants to play my ultra-violent ultra-immoral game? I hope it doesn't cause anyone to go out and rape people. Have fun! Code is python.

import sys

while True:
    print "Do you want to rape a girl? y/n"
    answer = sys.stdin.read(1)
    if answer == 'y':
        print "You raped a girl!"
    elif answer == 'n':
        exit(0)

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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import sys

while True:
    print "Do you want to rape a girl? y/n"
    answer = sys.stdin.read(1)
    if answer == 'y':
        print "You raped a girl!"
    elif answer == 'n':
        print "You raped a boy!"

axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

And how do you determine if someone is mentally ill?

In the same way that they can decide if someone is fit for military duty, i.e. psychological tests.

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I'm sorry that some people do such things, but I don't think destroying the lives of many many more people based on the assumption that they could do harm to someone is a good thing either

How come banning raping games is destroying people's lives?

Onewing said:

this list would be the same for a shooting/killing game.

It depends on the killing. Killing for defense = acceptable, killing for offense = not acceptable. As I have said before, being on the offensive is what is immoral.

Fladimir da Gorf
Member #1,565
October 2001
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Ehhh, child porn is real. There're real child being abused. That's the difference. It's not about what he's fantasizing about, but about real child being involved.

Still, that actually wasn't the point in this case. He was sentenced earlier with fines, but was still able to get a job as a child doctor, because the hospital thought it was not their problem. It was only after the outrage of the parents who refused to send their child to that doctor which eventually lead his sacking... And I can understand those parents, really.

But no one is doing that. No one is coming up to you and saying that they fantasise about violently raping children...

That's what I mean with that it depends on how the player sees the game. So I guess it is after all a question of if it encourages seeing raping as a normal activity...

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Albin Engström
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December 2006
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axilmar said:

How come banning raping games is destroying people's lives?

Sorry about that, somehow my brain went on to believe you wanted to prevent rape using any method.

To me, being prevented some things in life for no good reason is serious offence and I just get a bit over excited "fighting back". I just want to have as much freedom as is reasonable.

axilmar said:

In the same way that they can decide if someone is fit for military duty, i.e. psychological tests.

Are you allowing someone else to decide what is wrong and right? Why don't you think for yourself instead of leaving all of that to the goverment, it almost sound like you're using that as a platform for how to run your life.

I can see that you are certain that your definition of right and wrong is the "right way" and I respect that in a way, I just think it wouldn't hurt to be more open, in fact, I think it would be healthy.

axilmar
Member #1,204
April 2001

To me, being prevented some things in life for no good reason is serious offence and I just get a bit over excited "fighting back". I just want to have as much freedom as is reasonable.

You confuse freedom with promiscuity. A man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins.

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Are you allowing someone else to decide what is wrong and right?

I don't insist on psychological tests or a license, that was a figure of speech. What I don't want to happen is an outbreak of rapping cases because some people "learned" through video games that it is ok to do this.

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Why don't you think for yourself instead of leaving all of that to the goverment, it almost sound like you're using that as a platform for how to run your life.

There is no guarantee that living someone to think for himself/herself will produce good results. Look what happened the last few years: we elected politicians that drove us to the edge of the cliff. Some people are not thinking rationally.

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I can see that you are certain that your definition of right and wrong is the "right way" and I respect that in a way, I just think it wouldn't hurt to be more open, in fact, I think it would be healthy.

So do some people enjoy these games? i.e. do they like to rape women in their fantasies? I'd love to be more open, but I would like to hear some reasons about why should I be more open.



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