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alethiophile
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Ron Novy said:

You could probably guess what they'll say after they release the reports...

Was that connected to RapeLay at all? I didn't see anything in the article.

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axilmar said:

They do, when the level of realism is high enough.

I kill people all the time in my dreams, which are usually exceptionally vivid and nigh indistinguishable from reality (except for weirdness such as flying purple buicks, etc).

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X-G
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December 2000
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Well, I guess my previous post didn't take, so let's get serious for a second.

Those of you who are complaining? You're all a bunch of fucking hypocrites. You're all fine with games that depict violence of all sorts, and like me, probably secure in the knowledge that the whole media hysteria over violent games is overblown and misleading. Yet, you're acting like those very media attention-hounds over a game that you probably have never even played yourself.

Shame on you.

Out here in the real world, adults are capable of telling the difference between fictional cartoon acts and real ones. Yes, adults; children are obviously not supposed to play this game in the first place. You think it's sick? Fine, that's your prerogative; but it does not give you a right to call for bans or ostracism of people with different tastes than you, nor a right to play amateur psychologist and condemn people whose sexual imagination differs from yours.

I'm not going to make this a lengthy speech about sexual preference, but suffice to say that there are plenty of people who are perfectly normal, functional people yet find a thrill in this kind of thing. And you know what? That's perfectly okay. When they fantasize about is their business alone, not for some puritan to try to force his 15th century morals on.

And you know what the best part is? Not only is RapeLay a fairly old game at this point, it's by far not the most explicit or brutal game along these lines out there.

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LennyLen said:

I'm of the same opinion with this as I am with RapeLay. I don't believe that there is a connection between video game violence and real life violence, so I don't think it's wrong to play these games.

X-G said:

You're all fine with games that depict violence of all sorts
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You think it's sick? Fine, that's your prerogative; but it does not give you a right to call for bans...

Well I don't have problem with someone playing these games. I for one don't like the media hysteria about banning any game. I only see theme of this particular game quite sick, but it's hentai, so it could be expected. Moreso I find the theme of Manhunt sick and I have doubts about GTA series. On the other hand I quite praised Mafia.

Now you can all say that I'm being hypocritic by seeing GTA sick but praising Mafia, which also puts you in the role of a mobster. But you know what? Mafia presented it with style, it doesn't contain violence just for violence and what is more the main character in the end turned the side and was sorry for his actions. The game contained a message, something along the lines like Godfather (book and the movie) did.

So on one hand I don't like violence for violence (be it killing, hurting, raping etc.) which is example of the OP game as well as other mentioned, but I'm quite fine with violence in games, where it is somehow "justified".

X-G said:

Out here in the real world, adults are capable of telling the difference between fictional cartoon acts and real ones.

I second this. I for one am fully capable of distinguishing between what is real and what is a game. Games are good for relaxation and you are able to things that aren't allowed in the real life. By my moral standards some of these games are sick and I don't play them, but each to his own. Period.

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Onewing
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Show somebody porn and they're likely to get aroused. It doesn't satisfy, it makes them hunger.

Show somebody a game about drugs (that actually makes the player feel a bit of the sensation of the drug) and they're likely to hunger for more.

Show somebody a game about killing that glorifies the kill (watching the opponent squirm to death, player's life immediately becomes happier, etc.) without any punishment, and they're likely hunger for that as a reality.

It shouldn't be banned, but it definitely shouldn't be mainstream. It has to be under-the-table. You don't see commercials advertising erotic films on the main channels.

And, I can't say I wouldn't play it. Right now, it feels totally wrong, but if it were in front of me, I think I would be intrigued to see what it's all about. I'd like to say I'd be disgusted by it, but who knows how I'd respond. Like I said, you show somebody porn and they're likely to get aroused.

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SiegeLord
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Onewing said:

Show somebody porn and they're likely to get aroused. It doesn't satisfy, it makes them hunger.

Show somebody a game about drugs (that actually makes the player feel a bit of the sensation of the drug) and they're likely to hunger for more.

Show somebody a game about killing that glorifies the kill (watching the opponent squirm to death, player's life immediately becomes happier, etc.) without any punishment, and they're likely hunger for that as a reality.

Perhaps. But anything these games do, people can do via personal fantasies and daydreams. I can imagine raping/having sex with someone, I can imagine taking drugs and I can imagine killing someone. That does not lead to me to plan on doing those things in the real life. You can't ban these games if you are not willing to ban bad thoughts.

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Ron Novy
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March 2006
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This is a hentai game. Clearly it is not a real game, it cannot be compared to a real game (even GTA is a real game).

According to the definition of hentai in Japanese you're saying it is an 'abnormal' game... Of course it is not your regular genre of games, but I don't know of any other game 'based on raping people or young girls' ..... If it were just some sexual based game it would be different. If rape were just part of the plot and not the entire subject of the game I might feel different about it, but IMO its bad taste having a game 'based on raping young girls' and it's not hypocrisy... Of course having a game simply based on random violence against people is also bad taste, but fun but when you bring children into the game in a sexual manor that changes everything... I haven't seen any young children in GTA either so :P

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Neil Walker
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Let's be honest now, I bet 100% of people here (male, can't comment on females given I'm not one) have done far worse to a woman during masturbation than the game ever will. But, on that subject, what's the difference between having sex with olga kurylenko in a game and olga kurylenko in your head?

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Ron Novy
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Aside from masturbation, there is a difference between 'sex' and 'rape' when it comes to humans... and the law...

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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I bet 100% of people here (male, can't comment on females given I'm not one) have done far worse to a woman during masturbation than the game ever will

I can't comment for anyone else, but all the women in my fantasies are willing.

Ron Novy
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I can't comment for anyone else, but all the women in my fantasies are willing.

[edit] Hear hear.. :P

I once knew a women who had a rape fantasy, but she had self esteem and self image issues and thought she would have no other choice but to be raped... She told me this after........ Seriously she was fairly good looking... She's now an actress on some soap opera and I'm sure the fantasy has gone away along with those issues... I share way too much here... :-X

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Ron Novy said:

here here ;D

Do you mean "hear, hear"?

And yeah, all my friends turned out to be good looking actresses too.

Ron Novy
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:P

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Johan Halmén
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I can't comment for anyone else, but all the women in my fantasies are willing.

Same here.

X-G said:

Out here in the real world, adults are capable of telling the difference between fictional cartoon acts and real ones.

Is there a border between fictional cartoon actors and fictional real actors?
And is there a border between this RapeLay and a game where children get raped? Is it hypocrisy to [condemn people who condemn RapeLay] and [condemn similar child rape games]?

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amber
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January 2006
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The game is probably a piece of crap anyway. :P

Johan Halmén
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Yes, but what if it weren't?

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SiegeLord
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October 2006
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Same here.

Who cares. I might fantasize about having sex with decapitated fetuses for all I care. There is a difference between the world of fantasy and the world of reality. Just because you happen to not fantasize about anything that wouldn't happen in real life does not mean other people can't. And, just because they do fantasize about such things, does not mean they are in any way compelled to act them out in the real world.

This isn't 1984, thoughtcrime doesn't exist. The world of fantasy is free from your petty moral qualms. I have just now fantasized pouring acid into the eyeballs of a 3 year old. I can fantasize far worse, and there is nothing anyone can or should do about it.

This game is also a fantasy, a virtual reality of sorts. A day dream. It and the reality need not, and will not intermix. If for some those do intermix, those people could do the things they do in real life even without a game.

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Onewing
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August 2005
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Considering I can't see other people's thoughts, I really have no scientific evidence for the following claim: I imagine the people who fantasize about doing something are more likely (not that they will, just more likely) to do that thing than a person who doesn't fantasize about it at all. That sounds like a logical statement.

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Albin Engström
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December 2006
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Peoples imagination should not be rejected by law.

Whatever porn people wan't to watch or play they should feel free to do so.
With the exception of porn that contains real victims who's identity is shown, I think that's the only real reason to ban anything.

I don't understand how imaginary porn can be such a problem in this day and age, I thought we where a bit more civilized and understandning.

Onewing said:

Murder is the end of life while Rape is the destruction of life. People who are raped have to go through a lot of therapy and it takes a long time (if ever) to become emotionally stable. People who are killed are dead, whatever the dead have to do becomes a religious debate, in which case a belief might determine death better than rape.

Are you saying you would rather die than being raped? Rape is bad, but I think the majority of people would rather be raped than dead...

SiegeLord said:

This is a question of morality... and there are as many moral systems as there are humans. There can be no rational discussion on this topic, aside from listing your own personal opinion.

Well said, but since everyone thinks something is wrong should we ban everything? The most reasonable solution is to let everyone do their thing, unless it's actually hurting someone. People should be able to choose whenever to be moral or not, otherwise people are living under fake morals, and that's just silly.

Dustin Dettmer
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October 2003
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Coming soon, MoralRape, brainwashes the player into becoming rapists. It tries to bring the game to a new level -- reality. :o

axilmar
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April 2001

I don't understand how imaginary porn can be such a problem in this day and age, I thought we where a bit more civilized and understandning.

The problem is that there is no guarantee that one's imagination will not become reality.

The problem with anything imaginary is that, given large doses of it, may trick the user into trying it for real.

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axilmar said:

The problem is that there is no guarantee that one's imagination will not become reality.

The problem with anything imaginary is that, given large doses of it, may trick the user into trying it for real.

I totally agree about "exposure results in ideas", but I don't think that's a good enought reason to ban anything. We don't ban movies that show rape, killing, assult, goverment resitance, etc, I like to think that's beacuse we value certain freedom..

Should people not have the freedom to choose whenever or not to become murderers or rapists?

axilmar
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But movies are not interactive. It's not you that you rape someone when you watch a movie. It's very different when it is you who acts.

X-G
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December 2000
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I see you've never played the game either.

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Johan Halmén
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I don't understand how imaginary porn can be such a problem in this day and age, I thought we where a bit more civilized and understandning.

We are not more civilized and understanding.

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