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Let's make a song
piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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I just made this one.

just like the other one i left out the other instraments so every one can add to it.

http://www.allegro.cc/files/attachment/596464

wow
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i am who you are not am i

Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

Ron, you've transposed the music a minor third down, but Matthew's vocals remained in key of E. A bit weird. But Pedro's violin melody was there. Despite the unmatching keys I got the feeling that the violin suits well the second half of the first verse.

And Matthew, your lousy mic sounds very interesting. It might be quite ok for the final recordings. I guess you had a small timing error there in the first place. A time shift in the tracks. Sometimes I have to manually adjust one track by time shifting, when recording new tracks in Audacity. Anyway these are not the final recordings.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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GullRaDriel said:

It is.

I followed one of the unofficial Fedora guides to get the non-free software and midi still won't play (mp3, m4a, etc., does though). IIRC, Gnome Mplayer tries to play it, but I can't hear anything, and Amarok complains about non-free software codecs. Do you happen to know what I'm missing and where to get it?

Johan Halmén said:

It's an interesting process when a song is born. Some lyric writers need the music, some can't write any lyrics to music already done. Some composers need lyrics to compose, some can't compose to lyrics written. Some lyric writers can't write the lyrics to given music if it doesn't have a title ready.

Most of the lyrics I've written were without music, though often I have a beat stuck in my head so they're probably actually built around whatever that it is at the time. :P One song was sort of based on a guitar riff my cousin came up with. I never did get to hear the lyrics with the guitar riff so I don't know how well they fit together though. My point is that I'm sure I could write with music too. It would just give me structure for the timing, etc., as opposed to letting the lyrics decide the timing.

Most of what I've written was rap lyrics, but I did write one "acoustic" song which got a much more positive reaction from friends than the rap lyrics did. That was probably largely do to the fact though that the lyrics were simpler though... ::)

Ideas for the song would probably help because I have a lot on my mind aside from Allegro right now.

Ron Novy
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March 2006
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Ron, you've transposed the music a minor third down, but Matthew's vocals remained in key of E. A bit weird. But Pedro's violin melody was there.

I didn't transpose it (at least I think I didn't)... The track with the vocals in it was just Matt's mp3 mixed in with my version of the mixed down audio... I think the combination of the two was what sounded off... Argg you're right.. How did that happen. :-/

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GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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bamccaig said:

Do you happen to know what I'm missing and where to get it?

I dunno for the other players, because I was successful using timidity.

Timidity's info page said:

What is TiMidity++
♪ General Information

TiMidity++ is a software synthesizer. It can play MIDI files by converting them into PCM waveform data; give it a MIDI data along with digital instrument data files, then it synthesizes them in real-time, and plays. It can not only play sounds, but also can save the generated waveforms into hard disks as various audio file formats.

TiMidity++ is a free software, distributed under the terms of GNU general public license.
The History

TiMidity++ is based on TiMidity 0.2i, written by Tuukka Toivonen <tt@cgs.fi>*1, released on 1995. No new version of this original project is developed since then. Development has been continued by Masanao Izumo et al. in the new project named TiMidity++. ++ is to show the difference from original project.
♪ Features

* Plays MIDI files without any external MIDI instruments at all
* Understands SMF, MOD, RCP/R36/G18/G36, MFI
* Converts MIDI files into various audio file formats: .wav, .au, .aiff, .ogg and so on
* Uses Gravis Ultrasound compatible patch files and/or SoundFonts as the voice data
* Displays information about the music that is now playing
* Various user interfaces: ncurses, gtk, Win32-GUI, and others
* Plays remote MIDI files over the network
* Plays MIDI files in archive files
* Displays sound spectrogram for the playing music
* Trace playing

Along with timidity++, how to play midi in firefox

The Linux MIDI How To

For those who are interested in midi programming under Linux, I got that helpfull link.

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Allegro Wiki, full of examples and articles !!

Ron Novy
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March 2006
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OK... I've got the transposition thing figured out... All I need to know is what the original instrument numbers are.. Does anyone know this?

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

Ok, here's one full length song (still proposal). It got the following parts:

  • intro

  • verse 1

  • chorus

  • verse 2

  • chorus

  • solo

  • chorus

  • chorus

The solo part is like the verse parts, there's time for two instruments. After that, two choruses without any outro.

Matthew's lyrics fit into verse 1. The last chorus could be filled with instruments like how that guitar of Paul's sounds above Matthew's singing in the second half.

In the chorus you hear trumpets play what the chorus should sing: "Allegro cee cee... Allegro cee cee..." and a trombone marking something that the soloist could sing between the chorus phrases.

Whatever anyone added may be added to this, too, this just shows something that could be the total structure and length of the song.

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:P:P:P

What sounds fairly good on one computer sounds terrible on another. Got to adjust something here.

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Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I'm not following the pattern you have up there... could you list out the times that coincide? e.g., Intro [0:00 - 0:05]...

I'm not even sure which is the trombone and trumpet, considering most of the instruments sound like a five year old's imitation of a fart. ;)

Ron Novy
Member #6,982
March 2006
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Hang on Matt... I've got the sound under control here... Just a minuet ;)

[edit]

Here it is... Let me know what you think of the mix ;D

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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I've got the sound under control here... Just a minuet

hey I've got real trombones and trumpets I could record those parts there.

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Ron Novy
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March 2006
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Do it... I could make a mix without those instruments if you want it...

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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What I really want is Matthew's vocals without background music ;)

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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i sence he was holding back a bit i want to see what he can realy do.

Here you go: Piccolo.

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Here it is... Let me know what you think of the mix ;D

I'll check it out later.

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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HAHAHAHAHA !

"it goes forward... a second at a time... " ;D

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Ron Novy
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March 2006
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Matthew... Its probably a good thing that your microphone sucks. It just adds to your natural voice ::)

[edit]... I laughed.. It was good....

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Matthew... Its probably a good thing that your microphone sucks. It just adds to your natural voice

I'd give you points for that, but then you followed up with a compliment. :-X

Where are all the vocalists at, anyway?

Ron Novy
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March 2006
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Well it was funny... So I had to say something...

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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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ill fix the music timing and add stuff plus lower the key your more of an alto singer.

edit:
ok here it is i still left out the other instruments.

http://www.allegro.cc/files/attachment/596473

wow
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i am who you are not am i

Paul whoknows
Member #5,081
September 2004
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Where are all the vocalists at, anyway?

I can give it a try(just for fun). Matt can you post the lyrics you wrote?

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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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build a time mechgin
and i was
it gose forward a secon at a time
i told you lot
plz... you got to beleave
its not a trick
there nothing upmay sleave
i know i can not spell
and gramers not my thing
im just the inventer King Piccolo

this what i got from the mp3

edit: you may have to add some words because the tempo is a little diffrent

wow
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i am who you are not am i

Paul whoknows
Member #5,081
September 2004
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Oh, I was referring about the first song.

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piccolo
Member #3,163
January 2003
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its monday late in the after noon
just got out of bed with this alsom idea

its been stuck in my head
lest join our hands
do this little dance
and make us a game
ill be the boss
youll do as i say
go write me some code
youll get no pay
thats ..ok
its monday now and were making a game
an rpg
totaly lame

wow
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i am who you are not am i

Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

Here's the full length song. The times are:

/*
intro    0:00
verse 1    0:05 Pedro's violin 0:23
chorus    0:38
verse 2    0:54
chorus    1:25
solo    1:42, second 1:58
chorus    2:14
chorus    2:30
*/

I just copied Matthew's first verse into the 2nd verse to make the whole structure complete. The solo part has nothing except backgrounds. The last chorus at 2:30 could do with the add on solos. Verse 2 should have new lyrics, if not, it should be left out as well as the following chorus. Even the choruses could have varying text, or a completely different approach to text/melody. My suggestion is that Matthew sing the chorus, too. In the final recording. And my falsetto chorus is no good. The drums i had to use for the mp3 had a really mute ride cymbal, but I didn't spend more time on changing it.

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Oh yes, Pedro's violin could be inserted in the second verse, too, and in the solo part.

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

jhuuskon
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April 2000
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Oh wow. It doesn't sound like muzak anymore, now it sounds like muzak with a adhan on top. :-X

Mark, can you help these guys out? Sampletanks or anything that could be used to de-elevatorise this stuff?

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