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Billybob
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January 2003

Two simple questions.

How do you find raves?
Do they usually let people under 21 in (over 18, of course)?

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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ixilom
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April 2006
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That depends on how you define a raveparty.
The "commercial" raveparties with the big DJ's most have homepages where you can order tickets and get directions to the place. AFAIK, most of them have some sort of age check, likely when you order the ticket and perhaps at the gate.

Then there are THE raveparties where ravers arrange it all, for those, you need to know other .. umm... ravers. The ones I've been to they charged at most 5 bux, and sometimes when they do raves outdoors, its completely free.
I've seen little kids run about on these so I doubt they check your age ;) .. Thats kinda scary though because there are dimwits there who use and sell drugs, could end up in some kiddo's mouth :(

ps. Raves are not stupid.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Raves are pretty much outlawed here, for many reasons. You can't even find many "clubs". They don't stay in business very long, as theres strict laws enforcing whats ok, and whats not, thus noone likes going to legal ones. And the illegal ones are cracked down on.

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ps. Raves are not stupid.

IMO, yuh. All they leave you with is drugs, crime and noise.

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define: "clubs", the clubs that try to emulate or host raves. Normal dance/bar type clubs are around, just no big ones with room for tons of people.

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ixilom
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All they leave you with is drugs, crime and noise.

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Beethoven gives me headache, its noise and I bet if I dig deep enough, it has made some wives kill their husbands for listening to the crap.

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Onewing
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Raves are pretty much outlawed here, for many reasons. You can't even find many "clubs".

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Oh, Ninjas love raves. No, not those silly dance-parties, where you wear clumsy flurescent lights and shake to over-powering bass while sampling every known drug. I'm talking about Ninja Raves, or Ninjaves as we call them. There, you where uranium arm bands that if you keep on too long will cause cancer, so you got to make sure you're at the top of your game. And then there's, and this part is great I tell you, weapon-swap, where everybody gets on the main stage and throws their favorite weapons into the middle, followed by all the lights turning out. Then everybody scrambles to pick up a weapon, but who knows what you're going to get! It's really quite the riot. One time, this guy picked up a post-it note. I mean, what are you suppose to do with a post-it note? Remind yourself that your dead? Although, don't get me wrong, the guy who does use those post-it notes is deadly. You do not want to get into an office with that guy...
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Thomas Fjellstrom
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ixilom, I never said Dance music was noise. I happen to like a lot of electronica, just that when you play ANYTHING loud enough, its just noise. Even the small clubs play music so loud you can't hear yourself think. Not to mention all the screaming idiots, half of them high on one illicit substance or another.

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Thomas Harte
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April 2000
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How do you find raves?

I haven't been able to find any since my time machine broke and I was no longer able to travel back to 1991! Seriously though, the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 gives police the power to break up raves, and prevent people planning or travelling to raves starting in section 63. It's been amended to be even more dictatorial than the one you see there, but you get the gist. I was gutted when it came in because sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats was my favourite kind of music!

Sirocco
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I was gutted when it came in because sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats was my favourite kind of music!

Ah, I didn't know you were a hip hop enthusiast ;)

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LennyLen
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How do you find raves?

I follow the directions on the fliers. ;)

Finding them isnt a problem for me, since I have several friends who are the main driving force behind the most sucessful local dance party production company (yes, raves are 100% legal here, provided you don't break any health and safety regulations). I usually help out with the setup and site construction for the outdoor parties (I usually avoid the indoor ones). Most of the parties are $20-$40l, but there's a free rave this weekend.

You can try looking for local content at WorldDJ. All local raves and gigs here are advertised on the site. Other places you might want to check out are music stores, "alternative" cafes and clothing stores that stock dancewear. If you have places that sell drug paraphenalia and giftware, they might also know details of upcoming events.

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Do they usually let people under 21 in (over 18, of course)

Our outdoor parties are all-ages. Most indoor parties, which are held in clubs with a liquor licence, are R18.

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IMO, yuh. All they leave you with is drugs, crime and noise.

Sounds like you have the wrong kind of raves near you. Yes, drugs are usually a big part of the rave culture, but so? The only drug we ban from our parties is alcohol, and they've been running for 10 years now without any problems. Compare this to what I see every weekend working as a barman, and you'd welcome the drugs.

The only time crime becomes a problem, in my experience, is in the small indoor raves they have in the city centre, and these are because you get just anybody coming in. This is where outdoor raves truly shine. The extra hassle and cost of them generally ensures that the only people who go are people who are going to have a good time and enjoy themself, and not just cause trouble.

Noise is again, really a problem with indoor parties. At outdoor parties you can just move further away if its too noisy for you. This is a problem with all indoor venues though, no matter what music they are playing.

SonShadowCat
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September 2001
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Yes, drugs are usually a big part of the rave culture, but so?

I'm sure im not the only one who finds that rather disturbing.

Michael Faerber
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July 2004
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How do you find raves?

At first I thought you meant the birds, but then I remembered that those were called ravens!

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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I'm sure im not the only one who finds that rather disturbing.

And what, exactly, about it disturbs you?

mEmO
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March 2001
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And what, exactly, about it disturbs you?

That young people deliberately destroy their lives with toxins they know are extremely dangerous to both their mental and physical health? Not to mention the social side effects an addiction may cause, such as anxiety, economic problems due to the high cost of the given stimuli, an elevated level of aggression and generally degenerating behaviour?

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LennyLen
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That young people deliberately destroy their lives with toxins they know are extremely dangerous to both their mental and physical health?

Fair enough, I can understand people being disturbed by children on drugs, but I was thinking about adults, not children. And "extremely dangerous" is an exaggeration.

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Not to mention the social side effects an addiction may cause, such as anxiety, economic problems due to the high cost of the given stimuli, an elevated level of aggression and generally degenerating behaviour?

Addiction to anything is a problem, but the matter at hand was NOT addiction, it was drug-taking. Party drugs aren't particularly addictive anyway.

Billybob
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January 2003

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That young people deliberately destroy their lives with toxins they know are extremely dangerous to both their mental and physical health? Not to mention the social side effects an addiction may cause, such as anxiety, economic problems due to the high cost of the given stimuli, an elevated level of aggression and generally degenerating behaviour?

Oh LennyLen, we knew you well. You'll never be able to argue your way out of this one.

Too bad I don't have any raver friends :-/ Guess I'll have to search around for those indy music shops.

LennyLen
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December 2004
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You'll never be able to argue your way out of this one.

Oh really? :P

I have more on the subject, but it'll have to wait until I get home from work.

mEmO
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March 2001
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Fair enough, I can understand people being disturbed by children on drugs, but I was thinking about adults, not children.

I take it you are talking about 20-30-year-old "adults" here? I would consider them young people. Not that age plays a significant role in this matter anyhow.

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And "extremely dangerous" is an exaggeration.

That depends, of course, on what drug you are talking about. I agree that many drugs would not have a fatal effect when taken in sensible doses. Ecstasy, which to my knowledge happens to be one of the more popular rave drugs, can have a fatal outcome from a single user dosage, depending on whether or not the subject is disposed towards the lethal effect of the drugs or not. It also disturbs the water balance and heat regulation of the body, so unless the user drinks the correct amount of water during the effect of the drug, chances are high he will dehydrate. And, since your sweating is greatly reduced due to the effect of the drug, chances are equally as high for water poisoning.

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Party drugs aren't particularly addictive anyway

I take it you're talking about Ecstasy. While the research of the sheer addictive property of the substance has yielded varying results, I would like to point out that there are several reports of a hallucinational disorder as a result of exposure to the drug.

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MiquelFire
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January 2003
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In Michigan, the drinking age is 21. Might want to check that in your area if you go someplace that legally serves alcohol.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Party drugs aren't particularly addictive anyway.

Hah! You're telling me Speed, Meth and Pot aren't "particularly" addictive? I laugh at you.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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They're not. In fact, none of the drugs you listed create a physical dependence.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Yes, and thats THE ONLY form of "dependence" of course, why didn't I realize that?!!

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Billybob
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January 2003

Actually Speed, Meth and Pot are all addictive. :P Albeit pot is less addictive than, say, tobacco, but that's beside the point isn't it?

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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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However, they're not what you would call party drugs. None of them are hallucinogenic.

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