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My Windows->Linux Switch
HoHo
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April 2004
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if some HW works with one distro it will work with everything else. Linux is just kernel and everything else is addon. As most drivers are in kernel you shouldn't have any problems.

You could use Gentoo. If you don't upgrade every time when programX_v2.3.4_beta1 gets a new version called programX_v2.3.4_beta2 then you rarely need to compile stuff. For installing Gentoo I would suggest downloading Kororaa livecd and install it from there. For basic KDE system you will not have to compile anything and since the kernel is set up exactly the same as on livecd it will most likely detect and activate all of your HW. Perhaps only you would need to install video card drivers but that should be relatively easy.

I did Kororaa install at work once when I accidentally removed my /bin directory. too about 1h from inserting CD and logging in to KDE.

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http://kororaa.org/
http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=static060318-181203

While you are at it you can check out XGL too. The livecd automagically sets up everything for you. When you install it on HDD you will have to install XGL separately but I wouldn't suggest that because KDE hasn't got very good support for it, or to be more precise KDE window manager (kwin) doesn't have and XGL one (compiz) doesn't support most of the nice features of kwin.

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Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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Kororaa's that XGL LiveCD, isn't it? I'd stay away from XGL. It may be fun to play around with, but for normal use I'd wait for AIGLX.

With Gentoo, doing a Stage 3 GRP install would get you up and running quickly (as it pulls precompiled packages off the CD), then you can use the computer (konqi for web, kopete for im, etc) while other additional packages need to be compiled.

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HoHo
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Kororaa's that XGL LiveCD, isn't it?

Yes it is but it doesn't install XGL on HDD. It will install regular Gentoo with livecd kernel and no XGL.

If you want to be clever you can combine Kororaa and stage3 install:
do kororaa install first and install other packages from stage3 binaries. It should work and get you up and running in no time.

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

If I go for Gentoo should I then choose the AMD64-bit version or the x86 version? Remember that I want to use things like Macromedia Flash Player, Skype and the device drivers for my graphics card (see first post).

Combining Kororaa and stage3 install sounds hard, but perhaps its easier? Will I get an equally good system by using those two methods when installing?

HoHo
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April 2004
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amd64 is 64bit, x86 32bit. As you said you want to use 32bit version you should get the x86 version.

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Combining Kororaa and stage3 install sounds hard, but perhaps its easier?

It certainly isn't easier, just you would skip compiling some stuff.

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Will I get an equally good system by using those two methods when installing?

stage3 might give better end result (kernel with only neccesary stuff and wider selection of installable software) but it is a tiny bit harder to install. With kororaa you simply click next and choose some stuff but with stage3 you have to punch in some commands. Nothing too hard though and everything is written and explained in handbook: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml

If you have time to experient I would first try stage3. If that doesn't work well then Kororaa. With stage3 be sure to read the handbook. It should work if you do as it's written there.

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

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amd64 is 64bit, x86 32bit. As you said you want to use 32bit version you should get the x86 version.

Check! ;D

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If you have time to experient I would first try stage3. If that doesn't work well then Kororaa. With stage3 be sure to read the handbook. It should work if you do as it's written there.

I'll try a Stage 3 install then. Downloading the image now and I'm going to print the handbook as I only have one computer.

HoHo
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April 2004
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Handbook is included on the cd and when printed out it takes roughly 125 pages :P

IIRC there is a text-based browser called links2 included on the livecd so if you have trouble you can use that to complain in a.cc. You can also use it to read the handbook.

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I checked and it seems they have done something with the manual. It's only 65 pages now. Perhaps the 125-pages is what I remember from printing out the non-pringer optimized version.

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Actually, before you start installing you should read the handbook a bit. At least everything up to and including this page: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=2

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

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Handbook is included on the cd and when printed out it takes roughly 125 pages :P

IIRC there is a text-based browser called links2 included on the livecd so if you have trouble you can use that to complain in a.cc. You can also use it to read the handbook.

So if I use "Gentoo's Installer LiveCD" for the installation process I won't have to print the manual? It sounds neat. :) I'm downloading it now.

[edit] I picked the "x86-livecd-2006.0"-torrent to download.

Michael Faerber
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July 2004
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I recommend you not to use the graphical installer on the LiveCD, as it is often described as buggy, and I think you don't learn that much about Gentoo using it.

If you use the links browser to view the manual, you could use the graphical version, which is invoked by executing "links2 -g". I always found this to be useful. ;)

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HoHo
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April 2004
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oh, right. I totally forgot that Gentoo now has a graphical livecd. With that just boot up, open a terminal and web browser (firefox?) and simply copy-paste required comamnds to terminal. It can't get much simplier than that :)

As was said I wouldn't reccomend using the graphical installer. It just got out of alpha version.

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

Okey! So I'll continue my download of "x86-livecd-2006.0". When it's finished I'll burn it to a CD and boot up. I will then be able to see the Gentoo handbook through links, and I will be able to use the non-graphical installation right from the Live CD. Correct? :)

HoHo
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April 2004
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Yes, that is correct.

If by links you meant a browser then perhaps you like some other browser better. I think the livecd also has firefox on it.

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

Michael Faerber
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July 2004
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There's probably some confusion here - I'll try to explain:

On the LiveCD you can start up a graphical environment (which is done by default): In this graphical environment, you could use the graphical installer I mentioned before (but you don't have to!). In the graphical environment, you could also use Firefox to view the manual and type the commands into a graphical terminal.

However, you can also switch to a REAL console, where you DON'T have a graphical environment, which means: no Firefox! Here you could use links.

Hope it helped! :)

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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

You helped me understand that I don't understand anyway! :)

Can I use the non-graphical installer when I am in the graphical mode? So that I may use FireFox at the same time?

If not I guess I'll use "that key" (can't remember) to switch between consoles and have links in one of them during the installation phase?

HoHo
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April 2004
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Can I use the non-graphical installer when I am in the graphical mode? So that I may use FireFox at the same time?

Yes and yes.
Actually Gentoo has no non-graphical installer. You just type in some commands that do the same job as any graphical installer would, only you have better control over things.

"that key" is alt+ F1-F5 and yes, you can do that.

I would boot into graphical environment and use FF and graphical console. That way I don't have to retype the commands and I can simply copy-paste them.

It probably gets clearer once you boot the cd and start installing :)

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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If I shouldn't use Kubuntu or Ubuntu, is it then Gentoo you are recommending?

Only if you like the controll and customization that Gentoo provides.

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CGamesPlay
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July 2002
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And the ease of use!
</opinion> ;)

Oh and to add on to HoHo's post, my favorite tactic is to boot to KNOPPIX and install gentoo from that. That was I get a working system straight from the get-go :)

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Sirocco
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April 2000
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Dunno. I'm relatively new to the whole Linux thing. The last time I seriously used Linux was back when Caldera 2.3 was released O_o.

Any way, I booted up a Kubuntu 6.06 LiveCD on a desktop in the office and almost everything worked. I had to boot up in safe mode to get the video card working, unfortunately, but sound, LAN, and video playback seemed to work just fine right 'out of the box'. I had Konqueror up and running in a few seconds.

Spiffy.

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Jonny Cook
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November 2003

I've thought about switching to Linux for a while, but to be honest, I'm not ready to give up my games. :-/

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Sporus
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August 2003
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Sirocco: Does this mean we will get a linux version of Cry Havoc? ;)

HoHo
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April 2004
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I've thought about switching to Linux for a while, but to be honest, I'm not ready to give up my games.

Why not do as I did:
When I want to play games I go to windows, when I want to do something useful I go to Linux. In six months I almost never booted windows any more, two months after that I cleaned it out of my PC :)

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
MMORPG's...Many Men Online Role Playing Girls - Radagar
"Is Java REALLY slower? Does STL really bloat your exes? Find out with your friendly host, HoHo, and his benchmarking machine!" - Jakub Wasilewski

Sirocco
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April 2000
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Sirocco: Does this mean we will get a linux version of Cry Havoc?

As always, I make no promises... but the chances have improved substantially in the last few weeks ^.^

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Jonny Cook
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November 2003

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Why not do as I did:
When I want to play games I go to windows, when I want to do something useful I go to Linux. In six months I almost never booted windows any more, two months after that I cleaned it out of my PC :)

I suppose I could do that... maybe I'll look into installing Linux on my new MacBook Pro (if it ever comes...). I'll have a triple boot! MacOS X, Windows XP, and Linux. You can do that, right?

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I had to boot up in safe mode to get the video card working

Whats a safe mode?

You talking passing init=/bin/sh to the kernel in the lilo/grub menu? Or booting to single user mode? (init runlevel 1 iirc, which is basically the same as init=/bin/sh except the distro gets to run some aditional setup in runlevel1, while nothing but a shell is run when passing init=/bin/sh in.)

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Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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I'll have a triple boot! MacOS X, Windows XP, and Linux. You can do that, right?

Of course. And if you're feeling helpful, you can always try your Windows games in Wine, and if you have problems, provide as much detail in a bug report as you can (if not try to help fix the problem). :)

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