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Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
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Quote: Note that I have a via82xx based sound system, these devices support something called "VIA DXS", which lets the surround codec be used as multiple separate stereo devices. I'm not sure if other sound board support the same sort of thing.
They don't. However, by default AFAIK, ALSA comes with a 'front' and 'back' device, which sets a 4-channel output mode and maps stereo to the front two or back two speakers. -- |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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They don't. Interesting, since I can use surround51 as well as the "default", "plughw:", and "hw:" devices. -- |
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CGamesPlay
Member #2,559
July 2002
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Quote: It sounds much better since I set them to 71. I'll keep fiddling with them when I get some free time and also check out that other codec Thomas is mentioning. (And also check out the proprietary driver for my sound card.) The general rule is "amp as late as possible". For me, I can turn my speakers to max volume without any static sounds, so I do that, then my Front channel is the one I adjust since all my applications use it as the master, but it normally sits at 50 for normal listening. Finally the actual application volume which I set so that they interact nicely with one another (gaim should be loud but not obnoxious). This involves amaroK being at 72%... But yeah, by amping as late as possible, you prevent distortion in the lines from the devices peaking out. -- Ryan Patterson - <http://cgamesplay.com/> |
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Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
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Quote: Interesting, since I can use surround51 as well as the "default", "plughw:", and "hw:" devices. I should note this is why I like xine-lib apps. The configuration lets you select different devices for the different speaker counts, lets you select your speaker configuration, then it Just Works(tm). -- |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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Quote: I've heard of editing /etc/modprobe.d/aliases but also that the changes made can be undone if you upgrade.
I ended up doing it this way anyway. Quote: Maybe a little, the first thing to check is if you have more than one /proc/asound/card0/pcm*p directory.
kent@kent-desktop:~$ ls /proc/asound/card0/pcm*p /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p: info oss sub0 /proc/asound/card0/pcm2p: info sub0
Quote: pcm0p on my card is the surround codec, which sounds very nice, especially since its an integrated sound chip, and pcm1p is the crappy stereo codec that I never use. The number of subN files in the pcmNp folders is the number of individual hardware stereo devices you can use. And to use one in an app, youd use a device name something like: plughw:0,0,0 (first digit is the card number, if you have only one card, like most normal people, its always 0, second digit is the pcm number, here I have 0, and 1, I only use 0 though, and the third is the subN device, if you don't supply a digit for this one, alsa should just use any available subN device, but I usually make artsd use sub3 all the time, and leave the rest for other things.) Note that I have a via82xx based sound system, these devices support something called "VIA DXS", which lets the surround codec be used as multiple separate stereo devices. I'm not sure if other sound board support the same sort of thing.
This is a bit above my head for the time being. I'll have to look more into how ALSA works. I'm also not sure if I should look for another sound card driver. I think I'll postpone it for a rainy day. Quote: You can install an ftp server and just have it export that dir, or if you already have an ftp server you want to use, and just want to make that path mirror it, there is a file system driver for ftp, but I've never used it. Also, all KDE applications support the ftp:// proto. so any kde editor can open documents on an ftp server. I want to edit text files "live" (the editor uploads the file through FTP after each change). I've tried SciTE but it only wants to open a file from my file system (I guess it's not built for KDE). And I've tried Bluefish, it has "Support for remote files using gnome-vfs (depending on your gnome-vfs setup, you'll have FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, WebDAV, Samba and more)". But I don't know how to setup gnome-vfs. And even if it's a nice solution as I run KDE. But perhaps it's the best way? Quote: The general rule is "amp as late as possible". For me, I can turn my speakers to max volume without any static sounds, so I do that, then my Front channel is the one I adjust since all my applications use it as the master, but it normally sits at 50 for normal listening. I'll fine tune it later, remembering to amp as late as possible. Quote: Finally the actual application volume which I set so that they interact nicely with one another (gaim should be loud but not obnoxious). This involves amaroK being at 72%... But yeah, by amping as late as possible, you prevent distortion in the lines from the devices peaking out.
This is an in-application configurable setting I guess (like in Windows)? Or is it possible to use some operative system setting (an ALSA setting I guess) to force an individual application to use a certain max volume (like in Windows VISTA)? My troubled thoughts at the moments
I'll continue to struggle with this of course. And I appreciate all the help! |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Quote: Its completely unusable, and what you'd expect from onboard sound. Eh? I've never had a quality problem with onboard sound with Windows. Ironically, the onboard sound on this board sounds like utter shit on Linux (reminds me of a radio station with okay reception). Quote: Well it seems like it is: (I've been told that it is indeed activated by default in (K)Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) kent@kent-desktop:~$ lsmod | grep ipv6 kent@kent-desktop:~$ ip a | grep inet6 That happens anyway if IPv6 is anywhere near the kernel (possibly even without it, but prolly not). Those ips are just default non routable ones... and it's not affecting a thing, so what's the big deal? ^ Check the section on automatically loading. It tells you how to alias it in modules.conf to disable auto-loading. Quote:
Sound configuration is pretty close to hell in Linux.
Yup. Quote: Playing media isn't as easy/nice as in Windows. I've yet to find an application which can play all media I could play from Windows. And I've yet to find an equally nice method to play media in FireFox as in Windows.
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Yup.
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CGamesPlay
Member #2,559
July 2002
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Quote: Playing media isn't as easy/nice as in Windows. I've yet to find an application which can play all media I could play from Windows. And I've yet to find an equally nice method to play media in FireFox as in Windows. See, I'm the opposite. I have to go and get mplayer/win32 so I can watch all my media -- Ryan Patterson - <http://cgamesplay.com/> |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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- For sound, I'd look into using dmix (I assume the latest ALSA installs all enable it by default), you should just beable to use "plughw:dmix" or something similar as the device your audio applications are using. dmix is ALSA's software mixer. - Turning off ipv6 probably does help response times. - I use Amarok and Xine for Audio, and Video repectively. Theres also mplayer, VLC, kaffiene and other you can try out, for video. I highly suggest Amarok using the xine-lib backend for audio, nothing beats it. - Scite is a GTK app, and doesn't use KDE's API. For web development in KDE, you can be hard core, and use Kate (the "advanced" texteditor) or Quanta Plus. - ALL KDE applications from Amarok, Kate, to Konqueror, use KDE's API. All of which can use KDE's "io" plugins, supporting just about every protocol that exists, fish:// for ssh file access, ftp:// for ftp, and many more you can install for things like svn+ssh access via any kde app. - It looks like you have two separate hardware voices \o/ plughw:0,0 and plughw:0,2 Quote:
Yup. God you're a retard. -- |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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Quote: hat happens anyway if IPv6 is anywhere near the kernel (possibly even without it, but prolly not). Those ips are just default non routable ones... and it's not affecting a thing, so what's the big deal?
Well now that I've had the module not loading this is the result: (So it seemed to work fine as an indicator. But you are the Linux expert. kent@kent-desktop:~$ lsmod | grep ipv6 kent@kent-desktop:~$ ip a | grep inet6 kent@kent-desktop:~$ And also it does affect something to have IPV6 enabled, if what I've heard is correct. What I have heard is that if it's enabled a new connection first tries to do an AAAA DNS lookup (IPV6, which will fail), then an A lookup (IPV4). This causes it to take a longer time. It might be wrong, but it sounds right. Quote:
Yup.
No, I thought I would give this a serious try. [append1] BAF said: Check the section on automatically loading. It tells you how to alias it in modules.conf to disable auto-loading. I've already disabled it. Didn't you read my post? (Time for some sleep, I'll answer below tomorrow...) |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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But you are the Linux expert. Ignore baf, he hasn't got a clue. But do see my last post -- |
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Kitty Cat
Member #2,815
October 2002
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Quote: Playing media isn't as easy/nice as in Windows. I've yet to find an application which can play all media I could play from Windows.
This is the problem with binary distros. They prebuild packages for you, but you're then stuck using the configuration they set at build time. I don't really have these problems, except for general volume issues which isn't too bad. My sound card supports multiple hardware voices though, so I have more leeway on apps using audio at the same time. Just needed to set the audio volumes through alsamixer, then set apps to use software volume control. Kaffeine (which uses xine-lib) and mplayer have no problems playing whatever videos I throw at it, either. -- |
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Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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Many years ago I looked at switching, but the software just wasn't up to it. The two b its of software I use that I need on a system are: - A development IDE to match MSVC. With that I mean interactive GUI driven debugger, intellisense, e.g. for class methods (press . or -> and the list appears), expansion of function parameters), jumping to function declarations quickly, etc. - Something like Quicken/Money to manage my bank account/credit cards, consolidate statements, etc. Is there anything like this? The only other thing that confuses me is (assuming you are using KDE/Gnome), if you run KDE apps in gnome (or the other way round) it runs slower (or so I read), but what happens with programs that do not target a specific desktop environment, e.g. Firefox. Does that run inherently slower because it doesn't use the optimised graphics library? Neil. wii:0356-1384-6687-2022, kart:3308-4806-6002. XBOX:chucklepie |
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OICW
Member #4,069
November 2003
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Quote: Sound configuration is pretty close to hell in Linux. And you don't need to set up PCMCIA wifi card that's a real hell, and that's why I'm here under Windows. I folowed all steps from NDISWrapper manual (the one included) and I screwed up badly - when I force Network Manager to connect to my wireless network the card doesn't even blink, same for WpaSupplicant and I cannot even find /etc/net.eht1 to set it up using iwconfig and starting it manually like under Gentoo. [My website][CppReference][Pixelate][Allegators worldwide][Who's online] |
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CGamesPlay
Member #2,559
July 2002
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Quote: Something like Quicken/Money to manage my bank account/credit cards, consolidate statements, etc. Quicken has an online web service that I have heard about and know nothing about myself. You may be interested in looking at it. It costs as much yearly as a Quicken license. Quote: The only other thing that confuses me is (assuming you are using KDE/Gnome), if you run KDE apps in gnome (or the other way round) it runs slower (or so I read) They don't run slower. It's like this: when I run a GNOME app on my KDE desktop, it runs slower because it's a GNOME app and those inherently suck. But when a GNOME user runs a KDE app on his computer, it runs slower because it's a KDE app and those inherently suck. The only actual slow down is the load time for the libraries, but that is a 1-time-per-session overhead. -- Ryan Patterson - <http://cgamesplay.com/> |
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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I've never seen a speed difference between GNOME and KDE applications; it's just that they look different because both use a different configuration. Then again, programmes using other widget sets look completely different again. Quote: but what happens with programs that do not target a specific desktop environment, e.g. Firefox. Firefox uses gtk, as far as I know(the GIMP toolkit, which is also used by GNOME). |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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http://thisistheurl.com/file/ktorrent.png |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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It is files, a bunch of large batch torrents will eat up a ton of files. A normal user has a limit of 1024 concurrent files open at any one time. It can be a real bitch to actually change that. If I can recall how I got it to increase mine, I'll let you know edit: Also, the latest actual release of Ktorrent is a wee buggy. The SVN version also has been crashing on me, so you might want to stick with your version for now. but hopefully ktorrent 2 will be released "soon". -- |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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Thanks Thomas! I'll look into how to change that number to something higher than 1024. Latest issue I follow this advice earlier which said: sudo apt-get install xmms sudo apt-get install xmms-skins wget -c http://easylinux.info/uploads/xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb sudo dpkg -i xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb Now I got this advice instead, which seems more promising. Therefore I want to remove the installed package from the first advice. However I do not know which package name it had, I tried: kent@kent-desktop:~/$ sudo dpkg -r xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in... How would I get the package name from the file xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb so that I can remove it? Or is it possible to search amongst the installed packages and somehow locate that the package came in a file called "xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb"? |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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the package name is likely just "xmms-wma" -- |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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It was! FireFox + Flash issue My issue is that FireFox has become unstable when it comes to Flash pages. For example the Grow games always freezes up FireFox for me. At the same time they work fine when I'm using Konqueror which is strange. When I replaced FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" with FIREFOX_DSP="none" it seems stable again (I can play Grow now which freezed up on every attempt before), but I have no sound. How is it for you guys? Can you play "Grow" (link is above) using FireFox? And if so, how do you have it set up? (Especially of interest if you are using [K]Ubuntu.) |
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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Quote: Can you play "Grow" (link is above) using FireFox?
Yes. Quote: And if so, how do you have it set up? Nothing fancy: vanilla Firefox (but it's a 1.0 version, not 1.5) and vanilla Flash player. Never changed any settings related to audio playback. Quote: (Especially of interest if you are using [K]Ubuntu.) I'm not though. Running KDE 3.4 on Gentoo. |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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:FireFox + Flash: Quote: Yes. Not that I understand what I'm supposed to do... Thanks. The game freezes during the initial loading if I'm using aoss (see above), so I just wanted to see if someone else has it working. As you're using a 1.0 version it might not tell that much. Has anyone else got sound working (preferably through ALSA) with Flash + latest (stable) version of FireFox? :Konqueror fonts: Is there a way to get the text to the same size in Konqueror as I have in FireFox? The text tends to be smaller in size when I use Konqueror. I have the Microsoft fonts installed, if that is relevant. Example of how it looks: :Camera problem: I also have a problem with KDE not detecting my Canon PowerShot A520. I've got some help and have a rough idea of what the problem is. But I still don't know how to solve it. :Time to increase the number of concurrently open files: I've also been told how to increase the number of concurrently open files. To what number do you guys suggest I change it? What could be any potential problems? My line of thought is that 1024 is an old maximum which isn't motivated anymore due to better hardware and more file intensive applications (BitTorrent clients for example). |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Quote: Time to increase the number of concurrently open files: I have it set to 8k. Quote: Konqueror fonts: They should be measured in Point sizes (pt). -- |
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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002
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Thanks to all for the help! I'm finishing off the thread now, if I have more questions in the future I'll create a new thread or post in some other relevant thread. |
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With my SB Live, if I set apps to use, say, surround51, then it will only work if it sets a 6 channel mode. Trying to set a stereo mode will fail with that device. Really annoying since devices that use fewer channels sound louder.
And I feel the difference when browsing. Or at least I think I do. 
You are brilliant!