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My Windows->Linux Switch
Sirocco
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April 2000
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Whats a safe mode?

When you boot the current Kubuntu LiveCD it gives you the option to boot in "Safe Mode" in case your video card isn't detected properly. As I am not exactly what you would call a Linux guru, I have no idea what switches/options/whatnot this entails... but it works ;)

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BAF
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December 2002
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I'll have a triple boot! MacOS X, Windows XP, and Linux. You can do that, right?

Not right now, AFAIK. Windows XP support through bootcamp is only half there, and I dont think there is any easy way to install Linux yet. Remember boys and girls, the new intel macs don't use normal BIOS, which linux and windows rely on. They use EFI.

As far as the nForce4 sata drivers topic, you don't need them for windows either, just disable RAID in the bios setup. It makes things run faster as well. Of course if you are using RAID you can't turn them off, but normally you don't.

I tried Gentoo a while back on my nForce4/a64 (64 bit installation) and it worked well. The kernel played nice, except the sound didn't work right. One network interface (the nForce one) only worked at 100mbit because you had to use the forcedeth driver, which is only 100mbit so far (doesn't matter, my stuff is all 100mb anyway). The other interface on my board, a Marvall or something like that, had gigabit drivers.

Jonny Cook
Member #4,055
November 2003

Holy crap! My computer just came. They said it was going to get here July 5th. Is it July 5th yet? I don't remember hearing any fireworks... how did it get here from Alaska overnight? This is sooo cool. It's screen is like, huuuuge!

The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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The keyboard lights up too. :)

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Baf, you're stupid :P Linux has had EFI support for a while now. And it doesn't even need a BIOS to detect things. infact it doesn't normally touch the BIOS at all after the boot loader is done.

Not to mention that theres that Linux-BIOS project that boots linux AS the bios.

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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Last I read while researching the whole Intel mac windows thing was that Linux still used something from the BIOS which had to replaced. It has EFI support but it isn't complete and still uses some BIOS, is what I read. Doesn't mean it's true though.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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If you disable things like PNP and force the kernel to not use the BIOS method of getting disk info, I think that should make linux not use the BIOS at all once it hits Protected mode.

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Evert
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November 2000
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There are Linux ports to other platforms than PCs, none of which have a PC-style BIOS (the PowerPC comes to mind). Surely it would be straightforward to get Linux to boot on an Intel-based Mac starting from there, even if normal Intel-based Linux needs a BIOS.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Linux should load fine on both Intel and PPC Mac's afaik.

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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

Back on topic please!

When I boot using the Gentoo Live CD I'm presented with two choices for installation. One command line version and one graphical.

The command line version is either a wizard or a menu based (where I choose the steps in order myself). I have a problem when it comes to the partitioning program, as it is not fdisk. I've chosen "clear partition table" and then set it up as I want to, but there isn't any option like "Ok! Commit changes!". In fact I don't think that the "Gentoo handbook" is documenting the install processes available on the Gentoo Live CD. Help? :o

Also, why should the latest Kubuntu 6.06 be a bad choice? It's one of their long-term-commitment releases, so patches and bug fixes will come out for several years. Ubuntu 6.06 got the rating 9/10 in Linux Format.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Gentoo's installer is known to be kinda broken still. You should still use the standard method of installing gentoo (follow the hand book).

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Also, why should the latest Kubuntu 6.06 be a bad choice

I installed Kubuntu, some version a few months ago, and it was just plain broken. I can't recall exactly what all was wrong, besides that Firefox was stuck at some ancient 1.0.* release. (and here I thought ubuntu was supposed to be more up to date than Debian. HAH I say.) Within hours of installing it, I downloaded the latest Gentoo Live CD, and went back to good ole gentoo.

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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

I've now installed Kubunutu 6.06, it seems to have detected most of my hardware during the installation. I still need the specific hardware driver for my graphics card etc, but I have a fairly working system at the moment.

The latest release of Kubuntu/Ubunutu (Dapper v6.06) is a bit special as they promise long term support for it. They've focused on bug fixes and security which they seem to have done well, but I'm not the best person to judge being a Linux newbie.

It comes with KDE 3.5.2. The first thing I did was uninstall a bunch of applications using Adept:

  • Kooka

  • Kmail

  • KPPP

  • KPPPLogview

  • KAddressbook

  • KOrganizer

  • Sony Vaio Laptop

  • IBM Thinkpad Laptop

  • PCMCIA

  • Laptop Battery

  • KjobViewer

  • KdeprintFax

  • Printers

  • Splash Screen

  • KDE Wallet

  • Wallet Management Tool

  • File Sharing

  • Samba

  • Plugins

  • KNotes

  • KArm

  • KDE Groupware wizard

The I installed FireFox 1.5.0.4 (the latest stable version) using Adept as well. No problems so far. ;D

[edit] Removed this part as I found the solution :-)

Sirocco
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April 2000
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If anything, I've learned that YMMV when working with various Linux distros. I will say that thus far my experience has mirrored Kent's using Kubuntu 6.06. It came up and everything worked properly.

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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

Hehe.. Removing Konquerer seems to have messed up something, is it like Internet Explorer except it's for KDE? (That is, I need it and don't get to uninstall it and use FireFox instead?)

After I removed its package I get these errors: (amongst others)

  • When I click my Home icon (the little house) besides the K Menu I get the error: "Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/Home.desktop' is malformatted"

  • When I run the package manager Adept and choose Help / About Adept installer and get the About Adept Installer dialog there is a web address. When I click that web address i get: "Could not launch the browser: Could not find service kfmclient"

  • When I run the package manager Adept and choose Help / Adept installer Handbook nothing happens.

In System Settings / KDE Components / Default Applications / Web Browser I have "Open http and https URLs in an application based on the contents of the URL" selected. I'm not sure it's correct? ???

Simon Parzer
Member #3,330
March 2003
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Hehe.. Removing Konquerer seems to have messed up something, is it like Internet Explorer except it's for KDE? (That is, I need it and don't get to uninstall it and use FireFox instead?)

Konqueror is not only the web browser, but also the file and desktop manager for KDE. Uninstalling it is like deleting explorer.exe from Windows.

kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

I re-installed Konqueror and I am able to use it. I'm afraid I broke my system this early, because now I have these problems instead of the previous ones: :(

  • I have no Home icon (the little house) besides the K Menu. And I did not right-click and remove it or something similar. It got to be related to my removal of Konqueror (which is back now but the problems persist).

  • When I run the package manager Adept and choose Help / About Adept installer and get the About Adept Installer dialog there is a web address. When I click that web address i get: Nothing happens at all

  • When I run the package manager Adept and choose Help / Adept installer Handbook nothing happens. (perhaps this is "as it should be", does it work for you guys?)

Simon Parzer
Member #3,330
March 2003
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Did you remove or purge Konqueror? Purge means that the configuration also is deleted.

I think you have to set up the things again. The icon besides your K-Menu should be no problem, just drag and drop..
Other two problems: you probably need to set up Konqueror again as your default HTML and help browser (I think the Handbook should be displayed in Konqueror). About the link: Normally it should open in your default browser... ???

Sirocco
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April 2000
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I'm afraid I broke my system this early, because now I have these problems instead of the previous ones: :(

Heh, suck-ay. If it makes you feel any better, the last time (and only time) I uninstalled IE it b0rked Windows so badly I was forced to reinstall. Not surprisingly, the OS didn't give me any warning that this was going to fubar everything.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Not surprisingly, the OS didn't give me any warning that this was going to fubar everything.

You'll just LOVE Vista then, it warns about changing any setting, at least 2 or 3 times.

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kentl
Member #2,905
November 2002

Well I'm back on my feet! (I've re-installed Kubuntu and I'm not removing Konquerer again[if I knew more about Linux fixing the problem would hopefully have been pretty easy].)

Update
I ran EasyUbuntu and checked that I wanted the Flash player. And indeed I have it, but the sound from it doesn't work. Any ideas on this?

Simon Parzer
Member #3,330
March 2003
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Firefox needs exclusive access to the audio device. So if there are other applications using sound at the time you start up Firefox, it won't work. You could try to kill the arts daemon if it's running (terminal: sudo killall artsd).

miran
Member #2,407
June 2002

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You could try to kill the arts daemon

Why would anyone want to run arts in the first place?

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Michael Faerber
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July 2004
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Nobody wants it, but all people using KDE will have it by default.

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HoHo
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April 2004
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not me under Gentoo, though that probably doesn't count as default installation :)

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kentl
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November 2002

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Firefox needs exclusive access to the audio device. So if there are other applications using sound at the time you start up Firefox, it won't work. You could try to kill the arts daemon if it's running (terminal: sudo killall artsd).

So I can't have XMMS running when I start FireFox, for example? Also if I do the "sudo killall artsd" I just shut down the deamon for that specific time? Should I uninstall it?



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