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The World Cup 2006
Johan Halmén
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September 2001

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It doesn't matter at all what was said to Zidane.

It does matter! But not for the game itself. Zidane made an intentional error. He got the red card. France lost. That's everything ok. He deserved the red card. That's how the game goes. But further investigations should be made. What they will show won't have any effect on the championship. It will only affect the public opinion against Zidane, Materazzi, the World Cup and FIFA. And football. And what Italy's championship is worth.

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kikabo
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July 2003
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well, while were on the subject

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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I would rather see bullying of the referee and diving/pretending to be fouled outlawed first.

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miran
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June 2002

There's no official confirmation yet but several news sources have reported that the final insult that tipped Zidane over was when Materazzi called him a terorist. If this is confirmed and FIFA is serious about their anti racism etc. campaign, anything can happen. In the best possible outcome for Italy they will only take the gold medal away from Materazzi and ban him for a couple of years. But if they're really serious about it, the worst thing that can happen is that they make an example of Italy by taking away the cup from them and banning them from FIFA and UEFA competitions for anything between 2 and 8 years. A bit like what UEFA did to English clubs in the 80's when hooligans were the main problem...

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Italy is too important as a soccer market. They will never do that. Especially with an European as the president of the FIFA. The punishment is in Italian hands, so most likely he will have to pay some euros and done.

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Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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I think any kind of ban for the national team from competitions is completely over the top.

miran
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June 2002

Another interesting thing is that apparently the referees decided to show Zidane a red card after seeing a replay of the incident. According to FIFA rules this is not allowed. If the French appealed, the game could theoretically have to be played again.

A similar thing happened in the Croatia-Australia game when Joe Šimunić got 3 yellow cards, but the Croats didn't appeal.

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Jakub Wasilewski
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June 2003
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Another interesting thing is that apparently the referees decided to show Zidane a red card after seeing a replay of the incident. According to FIFA rules this is not allowed. If the French appealed, the game could theoretically have to be played again.

This was denied by FIFA, no video evidence was involved.

As for the ban - I'm all for punishing Materazzi, if someone can prove what he said. However, punishing the whole team for his actions would be nonsense.

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Dennis
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July 2003
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At least we still have something to talk about now. This whole Zidane story is turning out to be more interesting than the actual final match itself.

Pedro Avelar Gontijo
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January 2005
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Seems like Materazzi said ugly stuff about Zidane's sister or something. And also told him to fuckoff. That's what the lip-reading specialists said... I'm impressed the press didn't get to know the exact truth yet.

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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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The problem with lip readers is that they guess in their native languages :P An argentinian one thought he said "Shitty Zidane" :P I believe "terrorist" is the most exact one, Materazzi pronounced (for me) a single word.

By the way, from what I know in the field they get the same signal as the wall screens inside the stadium, and they can't repeat any controversy like faults, offsides, etc, so the spanish referee could not have seen that.

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OICW
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November 2003
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Yes, they are not allowed to repeat it at the stadium. Here we saw Zidane walking off, lost Materazzi from view and then Zidane turned and hitted him, that's all.

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ReyBrujo
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The same we saw here, but if you pay attention, as Zidane is going Materazzi says something that makes Zidane stop and walk towards him.

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LittleNew
Member #7,460
July 2006

hey guys here someone is exaggerating a bit. First you must consider that Zidane is not new to things like that, he had previous experience of headbutting someone in champions league, he walked intentionally on an arabian player's body and did some killer "tackles" in his career. Second there are no proof, only stupid suppositions and inventions which become truth in the word of anti italian people and presses. Zidane is a great player and we all admire him but this doesn't mean that he is the good and Materazzi is the evil, just wait official speeches.
In this world cup some presses wrote everything (most things invented) to defame italy and italian team, just because we are italians, our players played against this too and they won ;D .
I agree with you miran, there is racism and it's against italy, in this years all the football world attacked italy when it could result in an advantage (most of times without reason, other times attacking our way of playing football... hey guys every team can choose how to play) but none said nothing when we had our reason to be angry (denmark intentional and successfull attempt to ban totti, provocations to De Rossi, 2002 World Cup....)

Goalie Ca
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July 2002
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Des insultes racistes ? Une des hypothèses les plus souvent avancées serait que des propos racistes liés aux origines kabyles de Zidane auraient été prononcés. L'Italien serait même allé jusqu'à le traiter de "sale terroriste". Ce que Materazzi a démenti catégoriquement, affirmant qu'il ne savait "même pas ce que ce mot veut dire". Mais, sur les bases de ces rumeurs, l'organisation SOS Racisme a demandé à la Fédération internationale de football une enquête sur les circonstances qui ont entouré l'expulsion de Zinédine Zidane.

Roughly trasnlated... "sale terroriste" is "dirty terrorist". Materazzi denies saying "i don't even know what this word means". The "l'organisation SOS Racisme" demanded FIFA look into the circumstances that provocated him.

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Lucid Nightmare
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July 2005
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Seems like Materazzi said ugly stuff about Zidane's sister or something. And also told him to fuckoff. That's what the lip-reading specialists said... I'm impressed the press didn't get to know the exact truth yet.

This is probably the weirdest statement of all times...!
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ReyBrujo
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January 2001
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Italy defames itself well enough, unluckily, unless all that stuff about bribes, bets and such in the local tournament are false.

Though I admit I have heard he had done a couple of things like this before. I don't watch European soccer, too boring :P

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LittleNew
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July 2006

the stuff about bribes and bets has been discovered (by our justice of course) and guilties will be punished, but this it's our own matter and have nothing to do with national team and players.

ReyBrujo
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Didn't some players who have been accussed of these movements played the World Cup as well?

I believe the FIFA is investigating some Australian players who have stated they have done bets for the World Cup too.

(Edited: Another:

http://www.strangereaction.com/imagehost/albums/userpics/10205/Zidane_Super_Move.gif

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LittleNew
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July 2006

players didn't take part to the scandal, they have not been accused.

Goalie Ca
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July 2002
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Réponse, c'est promis, dans quelques jours. Selon son agent, Alain Miggliaccio, Zinédine Zidane devrait très bientôt s'expliquer sur les raisons de son acte. Le Français a expliqué à son agent que "Materazzi avait dit quelque chose de très grave mais il n'a pas dit quoi". "C'est un homme qui normalement laisse passer au-dessus de lui ces choses mais, dimanche soir, quelque chose a explosé en lui, a poursuivi l'agent de Zidane. Il était très déçu et triste. Il ne voulait pas que ça se termine comme ça".

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We're gonna get an answer in a couple of days, promised according to his Agent. His agent said he said something very serious but he's not sure what yet. "He's normally a man who lets things pass over but something sunday night made him explode". Zizou is dissapointed and sad. He didn't want it to end like that.

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Felipe Maia
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September 2005
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That one was funny Rey...

Richard Phipps
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November 2001
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I don't watch European soccer, too boring :P

That's narrow minded of you Rey.. :(

FMC
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March 2004
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Goalie: i guess french have more than a few reasons to put Materazzi in bad light, but as been said Zidan (great player, i admit it) is known for his acts of violence.
Of course if an Italian player had done that nobody would have looked for a reason ::)

ReyBrujo: yes, Buffon is investigated for bets... but this is something personal it has nothing to do with the national team.

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ReyBrujo
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That's narrow minded of you Rey..

That must be because I am not used to watch matches where the public is sat down, drinking and eating, or with children or babies. Down here, you spend the match swinging your t-shirt above your head, shouting for your team and against the other... when there is a goal, you see a human avalanche running from top to bottom, you in the middle running with everyone else even if you don't want... the players when converting jump above the advertisments and climb the net that surrounds the field, and you climb the other side and shout together, up above it...

What looks civilized for you, is boring for me. What looks barbaric for you, looks entertaining for me ;)

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