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SpeedHack - online Rule-O-Matic
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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I thought I remembered asking him somewhere, but I was just making sure :P

Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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Spaceshot

Here's something I came up with in three days.
I know it still crappy and ugly. But I took quite a few long breaks playing games.

Edit: Forgot to mention that this is a windows binary only release, and it doesn't use allegro. I'm helping some guys with a summer course, and just thought I might as well do my own game just as they're supposed to do it.

Elias
Member #358
May 2000

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What was that, you're going to submit an RPG?

No, but did some time ago, not in a speedhack here from what I remember, but on rpgdx.net.. it proves that it is possible though :)

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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Can we get a entry size limit raised from 250 to 400KB like in TINS? Mainly so I can use xm/mod format music.

Marcello

Elias
Member #358
May 2000

You can still use xm/mod format music - just need to cut down on the samples a bit. You can fit hours of mod music into 250KB :) [Edit: And that is zip compressed, so you actually have even more space.]

I think, speedhack should be mostly about hacking, i.e. in the sense of coding - and not so much a music/artwork making contest, there are plenty of those around already anyway. The current size limit ensures this to some extent.

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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Exactly, it should be about hacking, not having to spend all your time squeezing every last remaining byte of quality from your media files. =P

Marcello

Jakub Wasilewski
Member #3,653
June 2003
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ML said:

An opposite of wind could be sucking or inhaling. The trouble with programmers is that they can be quite uncreative which makes SpeedHack rules seem unbearable.

I wasn't saying that it is impossible to reverse any single rule. On the contrary, the creative reversals are the reason I really like the Act of Leonardo, and the reason I rated it as "good".

I was just saying that rules could become a no-rule if someone decided to use the Act of Leonardo in the way I showed in my example.

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Oh, and about the size limit -- I'm with Marcello on this one.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I was just saying that rules could become a no-rule if someone decided to use the Act of Leonardo in the way I showed in my example.

No doubt, but they just will lose favor when it comes time to voting. You could submit an entry that breaks all the rules if you wish.

Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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A lot of these rules look similar now. I noticed a lot about music and dancing..

Still a lot of people not entered though.

Rampage
Member #3,035
December 2002
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Is there going to be any kind of clean up of the rules, or even lame ones will have a chance of appearing?

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HoHo
Member #4,534
April 2004
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I would enter but I have a wedding I have to intend and its right in the middle of the compo. Before the real wedding I have to prepare and it takes quite some while, the party itself probably takes more than 24h and after that I'm probably too beat to come up with anything meaningful in around 20h.

But then again I could get a laptop and/or paper to write stuff down and try a few things but I don't think it would be nice to do it in a wedding of a close relative :)

Too bad, last year I had something else that came up with speedhack and I also couldn't take a part in it.

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razor
Member #2,256
April 2002
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I joined. How does the score for the rules work, is it just a 0 - 100 score?

Whoooo Oregon State University

Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

I hope the final spin will drop off everything lamer than OK, at least. When it now shows a mediocre or something worse, the rule mostly is bad in my opinion, too. Most spins with rules OK or better would lead to an interesting compo.

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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Even some mediocre rules are good, but most rules under mediocre are bad (but it seems now the good rules are losing points and the lame rules are gaining).

Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Johan: I agree. I thought that was part of the idea behind rating the rules - the crappier rules go away ;)

Personally, I'm deleting my own rules after they stay below 50 for awhile. I've deleted 1 out of 4, the others will probably stay.

We should be able to change the type of rule, though >:(
I accidentally made 8-bit requirement a technical requirement. It's really an artistic requirement!

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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Is there going to be any kind of clean up of the rules, or even lame ones will have a chance of appearing?

Duplicate rules get deleted. Incorrectly categorized rules get changed. Lame rules have such a bad rating they have no realistic chance of being chosen.

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I joined. How does the score for the rules work, is it just a 0 - 100 score?

100 is what you would eventually get if you got a lot of good votes and nothing else. The distribution follows the bell curve, with the average score being 50.1 and 67% of them between 40 and 70.

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Most spins with rules OK or better would lead to an interesting compo.

Overall, I'm pretty pleased at how the Rule-O-Matic is working. I spin it lottery style, with better liked rules getting more balls. I will give a bit more weight to well liked rules than what I currently am doing, but I don't plan on excluding any rules. But I will probably make it so that only one rule less than 50 (Mediocre) can be picked within a single spin.

Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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What about doing 3 spins and letting us pick one of the 3 final combinations? ;)

Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Yeah! We could vote [bad] [neutral] [good] on them and see which one gets the best score! ;)

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

Good idea. Though it would give us a chance to do something in advance (especially if it will be obvious which rule will win), but I guess it's only a question of hours. Say the three rules would be announced 12 hours before start. And the winner of the three is announced at start.

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Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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I was still thinking of 3 different rule 'sets'. Each would have their own advantages and disadvantages for each person. :)

miran
Member #2,407
June 2002

I would enter if I didn't have to submit rules. Too bad, I was kind of looking forward to this one. Well, I'll have more time for other things then, which isn't a bad thing either...

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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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It's not too difficult to submit 3 rules Miran.

Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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You NEED to submit rules? Why?

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miran
Member #2,407
June 2002

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It's not too difficult to submit 3 rules Miran.

It is for me. I care about the quality of my contributions. I don't want to just think of something lame and submit that like a lot of people seem to be doing. And I don't have enough imagination and creativity to come up with something good.

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You NEED to submit rules? Why?

Acording to the sign up page, everyone who wants to join has to submit at least three rules.

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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Maybe that's why some of the rules are so lame. I had no idea it was a requirement.

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