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SpeedHack - online Rule-O-Matic
Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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If you can't think of 3 rules to submit how did you ever think you would have enough motivation to finish an entry?

Just spend half-an-hour to think of good rules and put them in. If you get lucky your rule could be picked which will make things even easier.

Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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RP: there are a ton of good rules already, though, I think the 3 rule submission thing should be relaxed at this point as it has served its purpose.

Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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I agree Marcello. But what Miran was saying is he couldn't be bothered to add 3 rules, but was bothered about spending 72 hours doing a speedhack.

I found that hard to reconcile.

X-G
Member #856
December 2000
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Speedhacking is more fun than coming up with rules, that's why.

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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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72 hours work versus 15 minutes of thinking... hmmm... :-/

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June 2002

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Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Coming up with good rules it quite entirely a different skill than writing a good game. It's silly to turn people away from the contest just because they can't or do not want to come up with any rules for it.

Marcello

Jonny Cook
Member #4,055
November 2003

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I would enter if I didn't have to submit rules. Too bad, I was kind of looking forward to this one. Well, I'll have more time for other things then, which isn't a bad thing either...

To me it seems that many rules were submitted only for the purpose of fulfilling the three rule requirement, without actually giving any thought to the rule itself. Because of that, there are rules like "your game must have cats and u have to kill them".

If you don't feel like submitting stupid rules like that (although I'm sure you could think of something a little more creative than that), you could be a cheater and submit three dummy rules, join, delete them and hope Matthew doesn't notice. ;)

The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.

lambik
Member #899
January 2001
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Or we could give Miran some rules he could submit;
We live in a world heavily influenced by mass-media. Why should your game world be different? Maybe it has some papparazi tailing our hero, a newspaper that features an interview with the Evil Overlord, TVs in a shops window that playback a part of the game you have just completed. Posters on the wall, zeppelins with adverts etc. etc.
Adapt to your liking of course ;D

Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Your entry must make use of a user input device.
Your entry must make use of an audio output device.
Your entry must make use of a visual output device.

There you go! ;)
3 technical requirements. They haven't even been used yet.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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All the enemies in the game must have a silly name, and thus deserve to die. Kill them all!

miran
Member #2,407
June 2002

Thanks. Now there is a remote chance I'll enter the competition after all :D

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Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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The game must allow the player to use electricity on parts of the world to kill enemies.

Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000

I didn't know there was a three-rule rule. Matthew, if you're going to impose new, controversial rules like that one, don't call it SpeedHack. It's not true to the competition, and I'm taking the same stance as Miran here. (I don't know whether I'll take part anyway, what with work ...)

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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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How is it changing speedhack ???

I think it's not so smart at htis point to require 3 rules, because now we are getting flooded with lame rules, but I'd support a rule making you submit one rule or something (and rate most if not all of the other ones).

Jakub Wasilewski
Member #3,653
June 2003
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Yup. Nothing good ever turned out from compulsory voting, and compulsory creativity is probably even worse ;).

I rated all the rules I could and uploaded 7 of my own before I even knew that was a requirement, so I guess it's not much of a detriment to me... But I can understand people who want to be creative about their games, not abstract rules.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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:'( :'( :'(

(Supposed to be the sound of a baby crying. Hmm, that would make a good rule.)

Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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In fairness to ML the 3 rule idea was mine.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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/me huggles ML

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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In fairness to ML the 3 rule idea was mine.

It was? Hmmm... Maybe it was a bad idea then. ;D

There's always people looking to complain, so let them. They will complain if Arron comes up with the rules. They will complain if someone else comes up with the rules. They will complain if they come up with the rules. They just get happiness from complaining. Whatever floats their boat.

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Matthew, if you're going to impose new, controversial rules like that one, don't call it SpeedHack.

I only laugh at that. If Arron cared a lot about the Rule-O-Matic, he'd check up on the site now and then or have replied to my attempts in trying to contact him. People thought Arron's rules were "controversial," so if anything, I'm only following the tradition.

Go jump in a creek if you don't like it. Seriously. Start your own SpeedHack that is more real than this one. I'm not looking to have my butt kissed over this. I'm looking to make the SpeedHack a better competition for the majority of people who seriously want to take part in it.

And for the record, I had (and still have) every intention of lifting the "requirement" (in quotes because you could just add three bogus rules, join, and delete them) the week the competition begins for the late comers. I seriously doubt, though, that someone who is unable to come up with three rules in three weeks will be able to come up with a creative solution and program it within in three days.

So keep the griping up; it humors me.

Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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Still, what's the point of the requirement?

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Richard Phipps
Member #1,632
November 2001
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I seriously doubt, though, that someone who is unable to come up with three rules in three weeks will be able to come up with a creative solution and program it within in three days.

That's what I meant earlier too.

Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000

How unprofessional.

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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Still, what's the point of the requirement?

earlier in this thread, I said:

I'm going to make it a requirement that before you can register, you first have to add a few of your own rules and rate a handful of others. This is to encourage more participation [in Rule-O-Matic], and hopefully get rules that people will enjoy.

And quite frankly there are a lot of good rules that have been added. Some of those may not have been added if the person could have just signed up without doing anything. If some stupid rules get added, it doesn't matter! They will be voted so poorly that they won't be picked by the Rule-O-Matic.

Find something legitimate to complain about. The end result of getting people to enter their own rules has been positive.

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How unprofessional.

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wearetheborg
Queen of the Universe
June 2003

Matthew said:

I'm not looking to have my butt kissed over this

I'll kiss your butt anyway! :-* :-* :-*

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