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Sepiroth
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May 2005
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I have B and am aiming for A.

Crazy Photon
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July 2002
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No, man's view is opposite:

I agree ;)

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The ansver to the Ultimate Question is 42(101010) of cource

Hehe, when I saw the thread title I was inclined to answer that :)

You can have the chance to have both, it's quite doable. Now in my life I prefer A though, there are things more important and satisfying than having a girlfriend (and not related to sex).

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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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As the question is asked in the original post, I don't care at all for option A; so I go for B.
I know that when it comes down to it, work and hobbies alone are unlikely to make me happy in the long run - I just want a girlfriend/wife and then later on family. That alone is probably not enough, I do need hobbies and a social life, but again, as the question is stated, I'd no doubt go for B.
But I also agree with Tobias: the question becomes rhetorical when you find the `right' person.

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What if one was forced by a girl to be in a relationship by force, painfully and masochistically?

You break up. Seriously. You can never want a relationship, any relationship, so badly that a bad relationship will do.

X-G
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December 2000
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People are horny, thats why they like each other.

People are horny, therefore they masturbate.

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I don't know whether to laugh or to feel sorry for you. No offense, but I always thought humans are social beings? I can't really put it in words that don't offend you, but there is something the disturbs me...

Envy me. ;) Seriously, people may be social beings, but I'm not. I despise all the responsibility and caring for someone else that a relationship means. I especially hate children; they are lazy, they are incredidibly stupid, and there's too many of them to begin with.

If I need sexual gratification, I can masturbate. I don't need "companionship" — no, seriously, I don't. It seems hard for people to grasp the fact that some people simply do not want that kind of companionship and don't feel lousy or depressed because of it. I feel free because I don't need that. It's awesome.

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Mordredd
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December 2004
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Envy me. ;) Seriously, people may be social beings, but I'm not. I despise all the responsibility and caring for someone else that a relationship means. I especially hate children; they are lazy, they are incredidibly stupid, and there's too many of them to begin with.

Well, as I said I can't put it in words, but I need human warmth. Children annoy me too, but that is another aspect. And to be honest, I don't believe you don't have any emotions ;)

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If I need sexual gratification, I can masturbate. I don't need "companionship" — no, seriously, I don't. It seems hard for people to grasp the fact that some people simply do not want that kind of companionship and don't feel lousy or depressed because of it. I feel free because I don't need that. It's awesome.

Being in a relationship is more than just having sexual gratification. In my eyes ( as I know a lot about masturbation ), have sex with another person is another form of sex. It is much more intensive, at least that is what I experience.

Also, caring for and living with another person is some piece of art, and lots of people lack the abilities for doing that.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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X-G, so masturbation is enough for you? Wait, no don't answer that, I know it is. You've got this whole intelectual masturbation thing going on thinking you're better than everyone else. But thats just how it looks from my view.

edit: I must add though, that it seems like your oppinion is the only one that matters to you, so it MUST be the only valid and irreversible truth.

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Kanzure
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July 2003
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X-G did not say that he was opposed to relationships in the broadest sense (of being social). But, as he is not a social being, it is unlikely that he will end up in (some sort of) a relationship. He simply said that he despises the responsibilities involved. Obviously, if he was ever going to be in a relationship, it would be with "different terms". It'd probably be something that benefited others, maybe a political relationship, I can only guess.

So.. you're not a social being.. in a Socialist state? :)
How's that working out for you? ;)

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And to be honest, I don't believe you don't have any emotions ;)

Where did he say that he has no emotions?
???

X-G
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December 2000
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Kanzure said it. :P I don't care what you people do. If you want to have a million kids, knock yourselves out. Whatever makes you happy. What makes me happy, though, is not the same things that make you happy. I'm happiest not being in a relationship, because I don't like all the responsibilities and pressures involved. That's the great part about life; we can usually all do what makes us happy and leave everyone else to do what makes them happy without trying to push our own philosophy on others.

Now, Moose, I'm not saying I'm "better" than you in any way. You keep coming up with random things about me that are utterly unfounded and pure fantasy. I'm saying I'm different from you and that I have different needs and desires. You seem to have troubles accepting this, though. Yes, masturbation is preferable for me. Much less hassle and no need to care about someone else's experience.

Crow, you say you need human warmth? That's great for you, and I hope it works out for you in the end. Now, I don't need that "warmth" of which you speak, and that's great for me because it is already working out for me. You have to realize that our preferences do not make either of us lesser or greater than the other, just different from each other.

Jack London, The Cruise of the Snark said:

"Our friends cannot understand why we make this voyage. They shudder, and moan, and raise their hands. No amount of explanation can make them comprehend that we are moving along the line of least resistance; that it is easier for us to go down to the sea in a small ship than to remain on dry land, just as it is easier for them to remain on dry land than to go down to the sea in the small ship. This state of mind comes of an undue prominence of the ego. They cannot get away from themselves. They cannot come out of themselves long enough to see that their line of least resistance is not necessarily everybody else's line of least resistance. They make of their own bundle of desires, likes, and dislikes a yardstick wherewith to measure the desires, likes, and dislikes of all creatures. This is unfair. I tell them so. But they cannot get away from their own miserable egos long enough to hear me. They think I am crazy. In return, I am sympathetic. It is a state of mind familiar to me. We are all prone to think there is something wrong with the mental processes of the man who disagrees with us."

(Side note: Since I couldn't answer in the other thread, and it seems vaguely relevant here, no, I'm not a "Socialist" in that sense. I dislike labels. But I don't mind paying taxes in return for government service, if that's what you're wondering about. I fully appreciate the need for a society to "stick together" for optimal results.)

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Crazy Photon
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July 2002
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I don't care what you people do. If you want to have a million kids, knock yourselves out. Whatever makes you happy. What makes me happy, though, is not the same things that make you happy.

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That's the great part about life; we can usually all do what makes us happy and leave everyone else to do what makes them happy without trying to push our own philosophy on others.

Amen to that!

I am starting to agree with X-G in the sense you do not need any companionship to be happy, the sensation of true freedom can make you quite strong. If I see a worthy woman out there I can go with her, but those seem to be dissappearing nowadays :P

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Now, Moose, I'm not saying I'm "better" than you in any way.

You like to say that, don't you? Everytime you post in a subject about taste or one thats very "subjective", you always say "It is <this>" instead of "I think". So obviously, you think your idea is the only one. (pure scientific discovery.)

As for the subject at hand cough.. Its just not enough for me. Sure it helps releave a bit of pent up stress and pressure, but thats all. It always comes back, usually worse than ever.

edit: IMO, you have to be one lonely person to WISH to be alone.

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Sporus
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August 2003
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What if one was forced by a girl to be in a relationship by force, painfully and masochistically?

Sounds like a starting point for a hentai manga. And a not too shabby one at that.

As for the original topic, I'm not too big on personality, so I can't choose either option. Now if I could just create stellar games, that I could go for...

Kanzure
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July 2003
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edit: IMO, you have to be one lonely person to WISH to be alone.

Where does he wish to be completley alone?

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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B. Plain and simple. I can "live" without pretty much anything (including computers, the Internet, and music). But being alone is a hell on earth which I won't be partaking of.

Though, technically speaking, I could get by without a wife. But that's the most important one to me.

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Kanzure
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July 2003
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We don't care about you. Tough. Move on and do what ever it was you're going to do; As long as it doesn't effect my life, unless I otherwise allow it to.

Crazy Photon
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July 2002
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you have to be one lonely person to WISH to be alone.

I know many people who have the same wish, even I am starting to wish that...

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Rampage
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December 2002
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I understand what X-G says. How can he miss what he has never had? How can anyone convince him that to have a girlfriend is better than self-loving, if he can't see any advantage? We all would feel the same if we had never had a 'significant other'.

However, if you think just like that, there's the little disadvantage of not being able to breed, while others, maybe even less brilliant, will. That's real-life natural selection, it works against the socially disabled :-/.

-R

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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We don't care about you. Tough. Move on and do what ever it was you're going to do; As long as it doesn't effect my life, unless I otherwise allow it to.

I have absolutely no idea what you said or how it relates to anything I said.

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Kanzure
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July 2003
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It doesn't matter. :P
Get back to work.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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There is another way. Do both. It's called having a balanced life.

I have ample time to write code, browse the web, get drunk, fall over and make love to beautiful women ;)

(not in any particular order, though falling over generally comes after getting drunk, and making love to beautiful women usually comes after getting drunk as after 8 pints, all women are beautiful. Especially my wife.)

Neil.

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Trezker
Member #1,739
December 2001
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Why do people climb mountains? Because they're there.
Why does X-G enjoy being alone? Because he can.

I don't think X-G totally lacks the feeling of loneliness, but he only feels it once a week or so and it's easy to shake it off. That's how it is for me anyway, I can easily live without a partner because I rarely feel lonely.

Just think of all the trouble a relationship brings and you're glad you only feel a little loneliness form time to time, it's easier to deal with.

There too many humans on this planet anyway, why should I contribute to its doom, I'd like too finish living my life while there's still enough food to feed the population.

Ashteth
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March 2003
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...redefining "geek" as being yourself and being cool at the same time while making an RPG or action game comparible to commercial SNES games

I only like two SNES games: Tactics Ogre and Super Metroid. I don't have great respect for the games produced for the SNES. If I were to invest my time developing a game (and I am) it would have to be of greater quality (with perhaps the exception of the two above mentioned games). I also have no interest in redefining geek as myself. As a general rule, I have limited interest in others provided they leave me alone and avoid hindering my ambitions.

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Have a girlfriend.

Been there, done that. I've been in two long term relationships and a couple short term... Having a girlfriend in the abstract sense isn't worth it. The rational part of me is no longer interested in females in the abstract sense.

I am looking for a specific type of female. Among other things, she'd most likely have to be: a libertarian/objectivist, agnostic/atheist and have no interest in conceiving children/adopting. Unfortunately this type of female tends to be fairly rare and I find myself with diminished interest in the mindless variety that appears to be dominant.

SonShadowCat
Member #1,548
September 2001
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Just code your gf and you'll be happy.

DanTheKat
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March 2002
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I've created quite a monster of a thread.

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Arvidsson
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May 2004
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Just think of all the trouble a relationship brings

Everyone seems to target the displeasures, and disregard the benefits.

Though, as it is now I could easily live without a partner since I'm young and free. But I don't see that as a long-term solution, I know that I someday want someone. The sooner the better ;), but it's not like I'm getting desperate or something.

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I've created quite a monster of a thread.

You've brought doom upon us all!

Rampage
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December 2002
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I've created quite a monster of a thread.

The ultimate question must spawn the ultimate thread.

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