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So are we gonna talk about London? :(
Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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::)

The idea that all theists are brainwashed idiots because God doesn't exist is your opinion bambam. Personally I think you're the one who's been brainwashed. I know "God" and "Satan" are real and they interact with the world on a daily basis. Satan has manipulated people against me, and taken away some of my very best friends and very nearly my life. I spent basically a decade recovering. But if it wasn't for God I wouldn't be here today. He's given me new life, and now I have the chance for a real career instead of a shitty service job.

But whatever, it's on you not me. Go on and believe in your Magic Pink Unicorn or your FSM or whatever your fancy is at the moment. But one day you may come to realize you've been duped. :-/

bamccaig
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July 2006
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The really sad thing is that the same mechanism that allows these fine gentlemen to believe in their bullshit also allows Muslim extremists to believe that what they're doing is righteous and good. You can't stop one without stopping the other. Food for thought.

raynebc
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May 2010

Reasonable people in modern civilization draw the line between believing what they want and directly harming others. Radical Islam doesn't conform to such limitations and is therefore incompatible and should not be tolerated. Other radical mindsets aren't limited to religion and shouldn't be tolerated.

Neil Roy
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April 2002
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In other news..

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Dizzy Egg
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March 2009
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People claiming they KNOW God exists or have PROOF are part of the problem. Grow up. I stopped beliving in Santa and the tooth fairy and God when I was 7.

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Derezo
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April 2001
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Neil's examples of his Magical Thinking are a good ones. These are the types of traps that many Christians, or followers of other supernatural thinking groups, fall into. When I was on The Peace Train Magic Bus, we stopped at Eagle Rock casino. Before we went in, we agreed to perform a ritual and "pray" to the "spirits" that they would help us win.

We won so it worked so there.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

Felix-The-Ghost
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April 2008
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Am I the only one in allegro.cc that has experienced the filling of the Holy Spirit?

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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LennyLen
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December 2004
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Am I the only one in allegro.cc that has experienced the filling of the Holy Spirit?

Only if you mean Scotch Whisky.

Edgar Reynaldo
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Neil Roy
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April 2002
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You would think I would have known better than to even mention my beliefs of God in such a hate filled, anti-God website.

I think it is time I left this place for good.

It's an endless, pointless debate. You cannot change the minds of these hate filled people. It's a joke to them.

This is typical, if you say anything against Muslims, these evil people turn it into an anti-Christian debate. I'm out of here. I am reminded why I left this forum years ago.

Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Neil, you can't get so emotional about everything. You have your beliefs and they have theirs, I don't expect anyone to change their minds, I just don't want the truth mis-represented here. If you leave, who's gonna test my binaries??? Cmon, don't get so bent out of shape by a few dimwits.

Felix-The-Ghost
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April 2008
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If you think you're the minority try being the only Spirit-filled believer on allegro.cc ::)

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Dizzy Egg
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March 2009
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Wait, I'm confused - are people seriously claiming to have proof of the existence of God!?!? HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MA.....oh yes, it has.

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Wait wait wait wait.

So all this arguments about how "terrorism only affects a few people, so we shouldn't spend our energy talking about it."

VS

"RELIGION WAR. I'VE GOT TIME AND ENERGY to discussing my possibly made up deity is better than your possibly-made up and/or lack-of-a-deity."

Do you guys see my point? We've got time and energy to discuss all kinds of things that have no practical benefit (certainly nobody is being converted today), but the second we talk about Muslims blowing up teenagers at a concert all a sudden "We don't have time for inconsequential stuff." Our people really that strapped for time, or are they just using it as a convenient excuse to not talk about an uncomfortable world reality?

If you think you're the minority try being the only Spirit-filled believer on allegro.cc ::)

I'm confused. There's at least 4 Christians/religious people in this very thread.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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We are talking about it. We've been talking about it. Talking about it lead to the assertion that you cannot expect to get rid of one set of idiotic beliefs if you let other idiotic beliefs exist without scrutiny. That lead to some people with idiotic beliefs making idiotic claims about their idiotic beliefs being true.

The uncomfortable truth is that Christianity is just as stupid as Islam. You want to have one, but not the other. It doesn't work that way. Therefore, what is the solution? There doesn't seem to be one. If you'd like to propose some fair and plausible solutions have at it, but I haven't heard anything other than fear mongering and hatred. It may well be at least partially justified, but it doesn't practically solve any problems or make anything better.

Where should we take the discussion now?

Dizzy Egg
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March 2009
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Man is a dangerous being. Man is f*****g lethal when he thinks he's got God on his side! Why aren't religous books taught the same as Shakespeare, or Wordsworth? Why do we teach children that the stories in these books are real, and actually took place as described?? Surely the only way to end this is to ensure that these holy books are used in education the same as many others - as works of fiction. Important works of fiction, but fiction none the less. Then they can grow up rounded and without thinking they have a super hero invisible friend.

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God....pah

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Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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As an atheist, I'm not going to deny religion can be a positive social influence. It provides a sense of community, mental wellbeing, and other social and cultural benefits that secular alternatives are hard-pressed to match.

Zealotry is different. Zealotry arises out of desperation, poverty, and other cascading, negative influences. I've not read the Koran, and I'm not an Islam scholar, so I cannot say how fundamental Islamic beliefs aggravate the situation in the Middle East--there's plenty who will tell me the religion is inherently violent, and others who say the opposite, each providing excerpts. But I bet you I could make "Atlas Shrugged" appear as a communist manifesto if I selected particular fragments and excerpts ;).

But I tend to believe that the situation of religious terrorism, in particular terrorist acts committed by Muslims, is more of an outlet for other issues (poverty, warfare, famine) that affect the region. The only solution is treating the cause, not the symptoms. In other words: preventing climate change; helping rebuild communities and infrastructure; and supporting social causes such as education and healthcare.

But hey, drones, bombs, and body bags are cheap in comparison.

I think Emily Dickinson's small poem sums up my thoughts on the matter well:

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Faith is a fine invention
For gentlemen who see
But microscopes are prudent
In an emergency.

Bruce Perry
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April 2000

filling of the Holy Spirit

Resulting in the unholy spirit because you filled the holes?

But hey, drones, bombs, and body bags are cheap in comparison.

And flammable cladding tiles, apparently :-/ There's a lot of anger in the air at the moment over the allegation that the flammable type of cladding, which is cheaper, was used even out of reach of fire engines on the block of flats in London, which was government-run and housed people who needed help with housing, ergo poor people.

Neil Roy said:

So don't you dare bring your smug, arrogant attitude and tell ME God is a figment of my imagination! I have absolute PROOF HE exists and if you do NOT change your attitude before it is too late and pray for forgiveness you WILL be VERY sorry mister!!!

Ouch. That was such a good post until that last bit. Be nice. :-X

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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Psalm 14 said:

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Fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is no one who does good.

2
The Lord looks down from heaven on humankind
to see if there are any who are wise,
who seek after God.

3
They have all gone astray, they are all alike perverse;
there is no one who does good,
no, not one.

4
Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers
who eat up my people as they eat bread,
and do not call upon the Lord?

5
There they shall be in great terror,
for God is with the company of the righteous.
6
You would confound the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is their refuge.

7
O that deliverance for Israel would come from Zion!
When the Lord restores the fortunes of his people,
Jacob will rejoice; Israel will be glad.

Dizzy Egg
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March 2009
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"Winnie the Pooh was looking for honey"

Another great work of fiction.

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Edgar Reynaldo
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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Certainly we only write down what we know for absolute certain and when we write it down we never make any mistakes. We're never mistaken in our understanding of goings on, or take other people's words as the truth without verifying facts. If a large group of people believe something happened then it must have. There's no possible way they could have all been fooled. It even tells you right there in the scripture that it's true! Obviously all of the books of the New Testament of the Bible must be 100% factual and anybody that doesn't believe a book compilation that promises to be true is a fool. ::)

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Edgar Reynaldo
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May 2007
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omg, these are real documented people from history who documented Jesus' life and teachings. He came to fulfill the scriptures, and He did. These are actual historical facts about real people who actually lived before you. But of course all this is just from a bunch of believers. All of it is totally made up. Of course the Hebrews made up the Old Testament so they could live strict ritual lives and live according to some crazy Ten Commandments, even though most of them would die in the wilderness for being un-believers. Just for fun. They made it all up so their lives could be harder. ::) ::)

And besides bamccaig, you're just playing on doubt. It's not like you have any facts to support your claims. :/

Aaron Bolyard
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July 2006
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So are we going to talk about Finsbury Park?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40322960

Quote:

Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick said the incident in north London was "quite clearly an attack on Muslims"

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The prime minister said police declared it a terrorist incident within eight minutes and a white man in his 40s was now in custody.



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