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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

This was to be made sooner or later:

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Polybios
Member #12,293
October 2010

@Katko:
While he is not wrong on all points, he is a bit delusional 1) speaking for the whole of Britain ("we") and 2) wanting to impose his terms on the EU.
This guy has essentially cost European tax payers lots of €€€ and ₤₤₤, without ever working constructively, with one of the worst attendance records of European parliament. Yet, MEPs have tolerated him putting on his narcissistic show for all these years (my interpretation), because it's a civilized institution.

I know several Britons who would protest that Farage belongs to their best. ;)
While I'm not overly competent in that regard, maybe you should listen to some of Churchill's speeches to recalibrate your perception of greatness. ;)
Mr Churchill also postulated the United States of Europe after WWII for example.

Neil Roy
Member #2,229
April 2002
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I'm going to regret posting this but... I predicted this many years ago. And just recently I told a friend of mine Britain would vote to exit before the vote took place. On the day of the vote he told me they were not going to exit based on news that was all reporting the population was overwhelmingly in support of staying, so he obviously felt I got this one wrong. I told him they would leave, and sure enough, the next day, they voted to leave.

I knew all this because of bible prophecy. The British commonwealth of nations as well as the United States are Israel of the bible, not that tiny nation of Jews. They are from Judah, who is a son of Israel, but Judah did not get Israel's blessing, Joseph's two sons did. And he also gave a prophecy about the powerful nations those two sons would end up creating. The most powerful nation the world has ever seen, which would be a colonizing nation with a King/queen on the throne that can trace their roots back to king David, and Queen Elizabeth can trace her roots back to David, and I have traced them as well (by accident while researching my own genealogy). Europe will be where the future beast power of prophecy will form, out of 10 nations with Germany as the head of it. The beast power defeats Israel, Israel is not a part of it, so I knew they had to separate from the EU. I think we will see more nations leave the EU and it will be left with only 10 (albeit economy powerful nations) nations in it. I think the Euro will drop in value and it is even possible that Germany will adopt it's old currency, which would be interesting from a prophetic standpoint... the mark.

I feel these Islamic nations where the "arab spring" rebellions took place are the biblical king of the south and the refuge invasion in Europe right now qualifies as pushing at the beast. I think this will lead eventually to Angela being replaced in Germany with a much stronger leader that will ultimately invade the middle east and strike back. Time will tell. So far these events have not surprised me at all. They are perfectly in line with prophecy.

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GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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Neil, god if ever it exists does not give a damn fuck about our little human stories, be it good or sad and terrible ones.
Remember, free will. He does not even give a damn about any prayer in the world.
Using the bible to justify everything is basically asking for the beat. If we have free will then we write the story, and at worst we will be judged at the end. If ever something like that exists.
And HOOO, man, you're so good at prediction... May I refresh yourself a bit:

-England never adopted the euro.
-Already made the same referendum before
-Already nearly left since the start
-Never adopted Shengen
-Is not present in Europe justice nor defense

http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2016/06/28/l-europe-existe-les-anglais-l-ont-rencontree_4959533_3232.html

Yet... YET I'M SAD. I'm sad for all the good people who lost because of stubborn oldies that act like old farts.
I'M SAD because I know the other future was also possible. And because it was so cool to see English people around here, and to be able to go in England just with a simple train and an id card. It's a social thing, you may not understand.

To the rest of Europe, defenders of the leave looks like pure bigots, short minded bloody racist, religion supremacists. Does it hurts ? It's reality.

I hope a better futur than something guys like Farage imagine. You can replace Farage by any right/left extremist gang leader name, LePen works of course.

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Arvidsson
Member #4,603
May 2004
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Interesting stuff. Also amazing how disrespectful, childish, and disruptive the fellow member state's representatives are.

Could be because the man is a twat though :)

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Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that he's half insulting throughout. But the establishment should still be "adult" enough to not whoop and holler when someone says something insulting.

When a client says something insulting at my job, I don't get to stop being a professional. I just wait till the meeting is over and talk !@#$! about them to my co-workers in private.

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Polybios
Member #12,293
October 2010

Another true Katkoism: Of course MEPs are all working for Mr Farage, therefore Mr Katko's relationship to his company's clients is entirely comparable. ::) :P

Have you ever listened to debates of British parliament?

amarillion
Member #940
January 2001
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Interesting stuff. Also amazing how disrespectful, childish, and disruptive the fellow member state's representatives are.

I suspect you've never seen question time with the PM in the house of commons?

edit: Polybios and I think alike :)

Here is an example

How do I embed videos?

GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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[url] ?

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Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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I suspect you've never seen question time with the PM in the house of commons

I think you're missing the point.

The UK has a culture of acting like that. It's part of their government history. More over, they still have rules, including a rule against clapping--hence the "Hear hear." Did you notice ANY clapping during that video? They were still following procedure.

Quote:

"May I say at the start of the Parliament," said Mr Bercow, "that the convention that we do not clap in this Chamber is very, very long established and widely respected, and it would be appreciated if Members showed some respect for that convention.

"They will get their speaking rights from this Chair - of that they can be assured. They will be respected, but I would invite them to show some respect for the traditions of this Chamber of the House of Commons."

Moreover, while 99% of that video is quite hilarious, everyone is smiling during the interruptions--it's expected. And even then, that's a highlight reel of the most notable ones.

Back to the point:

The EU's debates are not supposed to be like that.

Imagine the difference between roaring and hollering at a NASCAR event, and at a library. The expectations for the same actions are clearly different.

These are people chosen to represent their entire countries, not local constituents. There are other countries, diplomacy, and international politics involved. The bar should be pretty damn high when you're talking to another country.

If this was the UN, people would consider it very seriously. Even though many of us consider the UN a "complete joke", they still adhere to procedures. (Out of respect for the institution.)

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Johan Halmén
Member #1,550
September 2001

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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Regardless of the discussion, and opinions, I think this is a really cool video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89S1cej9TyU

[edit] It's also interesting to me, as an American, to watch the Prime Minister participate in debates in the House of Commons. I can't think of any times our President has gone to Congress and engaged in a battle of wit in debate. (I'm sure it's based in law somehow and not just some kind of preferential decision) And the VP's sole job is casting a vote if and only if the senate has tied.

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Polybios
Member #12,293
October 2010

These are people chosen to represent their entire countries, not local constituents. There are other countries, diplomacy, and international politics involved. The bar should be pretty damn high when you're talking to another country.

Yes, but ... rather no. They are mainly organized into parliamentary groups of European parties, not according to countries (unlike the UN). You wouldn't expect the British Labour-faction to be entirely silent when Farage speaks, for example, because he is "one of them".
Besides, MEPs don't necessarily have a connection to national governments, so there is no diplomacy involved (again, unlike the UN). Mr Farage certainly hasn't, as England does not (until now) have a UKIP government. So he is just some random clown (like the others) :)
The European Council would be more like you imagined. If the heads of European governments (that make up the Council) would shout down one of them together, it would indeed probably be a scandal.

AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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Wow... I didn't know that man was so arrogant... You just can not treat people that way, this is not going to end well...

Polybios
Member #12,293
October 2010

Look, Chris, even the British house of commons seems united in calling Farage's behavior in European parliament "ridiculous and revolting" and that it should be made clear he's not representing Britain. You've got to face the fact you have been fooled by this clown. :P

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AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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Well at least a title bit of common sense... This thread is better than the news... ;D

Btw... Why all that people are acting like goats, damn is driving me crazy.

amarillion
Member #940
January 2001
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Presenting Farage as the voice of reason, and calling out the other MEPs as being rude and disrespectful, flies against the facts. Now you're just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

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When Farage says that none of the MEPs have had proper jobs, he's the one being disrespectful and insulting.

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Polybios
Member #12,293
October 2010

Now that guy's gone from UKIP leadership. Interesting how Farage and Johnson are now both gone within 12 days after it happened.

There's talk that UK will lower corporate taxes (and, of course, social budgets) considerably. Somehow this was the way I've imagined they would be headed...

Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000

A strategic exit if I ever saw one. "I've done my part" eh?

While I definitely had concerns about the guy, I was open-minded and curious to see if he could actually deliver a stronger Britain. I guess he can't.

Plan B: we have a General Election and vote for the party that promises to disregard the referendum result and never trigger Article 50, while also fix the problems in the areas that wanted to shake up the status quo. Of course, this is assuming that the EU is really going to be good for us, but hey, what's the worst that's happened so far? Austerity measures that don't apply to us because we kept our own currency, I suppose?

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GullRaDriel
Member #3,861
September 2003
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They are just disgusting. I mean, Farage and Johnson. They put the country in fire, and don't take responsibility.

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AMCerasoli
Member #11,955
May 2010
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I consider them as those extremist people that want to call your attention but they don't know what they're doing, they don't use to think about the wellness of the country but instead they're only thinking about "victories" and "proud" and all that stuff.

Kind of like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, which is blaming the US for all the bad thing that has happened to that country, or like Donald Trump in the US with his "Let's make america great again".

Words that are really good for propaganda but at the end those are empty words with no background or any base.

Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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Polybios said:

You've got to face the fact you have been fooled by this clown. :P

I never said I supported him. I said he's interesting as an outsider to British politics.

I supported Brexit and reduced globalization. Not a specific politician.

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