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Year of the Windows 10 Desktop
Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Anyone try out 10 yet? Is it what Windows 7 did for Vista, or yet another iteration of Design-By-Committee?

I'm downloading the image as we speak to try out in a VM first--if it's fast enough I might convert my crappy Windows 8 work laptop over.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I installed the last update in virtualbox, and it seems to be ok. I didn't use it very much at all, but i can confirm that the horrible start screen is now optional \o/

That means its even more Design-By-Committee since everyone and their dog had their say on that little detail ;)

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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Derezo posted about it on FB and I replied there; basically I put it on a vm and haven't been impressed. I really want MS to turn around as a company and make something that Just Works(tm), but it's kinda gettin' Frankenstein up in there.

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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I keep dreaming Open Source does something that just works..

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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How so?

Don't get me wrong, I hate Firefox and the bloated junk it represents (isn't that why they canned Thunderbird?). But Linux seems pretty great.

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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I'm starting to like Linux, too. Now that most modern software runs in the browser, Linux is more practical. I still can't fully switch because I need Photoshop and Office. Otherwise I could probably do it.

I surprisingly like the desktop environments that I've tried, they're very simple and straight forward.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Photoshop runs on Google ChromeOS. :o

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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I can't get my 4 screen config work. One card is R9 70, the other is GTS450. The R9 would support everything if I had a DD adapter that worked.
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Oh, and even what worked did glitch.. Drivers for AMD device are quite fcked.
After installing some proprietary driver things just stopped working literally.

I tried: Fedora, Ubuntu. & probably anotehr distro which I don't remember.. But anyways. avatar of Linux simplicity(Ubuntu) refused to get installed, & bleeding edge fedora refused to work with drivers, or support 2x vid cards.

MiquelFire
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January 2003
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Using cards from two different chipsets will end in heart ache.

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type568
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March 2007
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heart ache

Hey, hey! I'm 2 young 4that.
And the point is, it works in windows out of the box, without any drivers. Well, I still installed both drivers.

Sevalecan
Member #4,686
June 2004
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BS. It's finally the year of the Linux Desktop! Who uses Windows anymore?

[edit -- I sounded too pretentious]

I've tried it. Good that they brought the start menu back, but I prefer Classic Shell. I guess I don't know of any big landmark features that would attract me to it from Windows 7. Tomasu says that hyperthreading support is supposed to be better in 8, so maybe I'll upgrade my laptop at some point. Other than that, there's Spartan which I will only be interested in if it's lighter and faster than Chrome and Firefox and I can get access to a decent ad blocking plugin.

Are there any other really big features that I should be interested in? For the most part it just seems like more of the same. I also really don't appreciate the themes available by default with the W10TP.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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type568 said:

I tried: Fedora, Ubuntu. & probably anotehr distro which I don't remember.. But anyways. avatar of Linux simplicity(Ubuntu) refused to get installed, & bleeding edge fedora refused to work with drivers, or support 2x vid cards.

Sadly, the proprietary drivers do not play nicely with each other. they all install their own libraries for GL that overwrite the existing ones, so if your DE uses GL, well, you're pooched.

Multi-vendor multi-gpu is probably not going to work very well in linux for the time being. Maybe with the opensource drivers it'll work ok (but probably not great).

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type568
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March 2007
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It worked fine during install, and I think during boot as well.. Or some combination of these. Worked in appropriate resolution, all screens. Then I guess XORG ruins it.

As of GL.. Well, the 3d is only done by one card: R9. The other just hosts a display.

furinkan
Member #10,271
October 2008
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We have windows 10 preview on two machines at school. It looks a lot like Windows. It runs the same programs that Windows ran, too! :o It even has a start menu like Windows had!

If I didn't know better I'd say Windows 10 is another version of Windows. I probably would have been more impressed if it wasn't Windows, but I guess you can't be picky about these things.

Chris Katko
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January 2002
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Funny sidenote, a compatibility testing company ran tests on Windows 8.1 vs 8. They checked the files and said other than some file reorganizations, it was literally the same OS. Almost every file had the same hash.

furinkan said:

If I didn't know better I'd say Windows 10 is another version of Windows. I probably would have been more impressed if it wasn't Windows, but I guess you can't be picky about these things.

I don't want different. I want incremental upgrade with a focus on stability, performance, and user interface efficiency (button layout and key commands, not metro crap). My job is getting things done, not impressing the marketing team.

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furinkan
Member #10,271
October 2008
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When they add POSIX support to their feature list, then I'll consider using it. They'll also need a default terminal shell that doesn't blow, need to use about 50% of the resources, and for shit sake support more than 3 filesystems!

Peter Hull
Member #1,136
March 2001

Solitaire is back!

Bob Keane
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June 2006

Don't get me wrong, I hate Firefox and the bloated junk it represents (isn't that why they canned Thunderbird?). But Linux seems pretty great.

Are you sure about Thunderbird? I have it running on my notebook.

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Chris Katko
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January 2002
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I recall when it came out, it was to replace something rather bloated. Perhaps it wasn't Thunderbird, and I was confusing that with Mozilla Suite.

Hyatt, Ross, Hewitt and Chanial[8] developed their browser to combat the software bloat of the Mozilla Suite (codenamed, internally referred to, and continued by the community as SeaMonkey), which integrated features such as IRC, mail and news, and WYSIWYG HTML editing into one internet suite.

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furinkan
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October 2008
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I often forget how many choices you have for browsers. Open source is the shizznitt! 8-)

I will concede that Cortana is, also, the shizznitt, however I would never use such a thing on a desktop. My typing is far faster than activating her, talking to her, and waiting for the result. I could have just done the actions myself.

I'm using a terminal about 50-60% of my work day, and it is only increasing. I don't need a new Windows shell around their crappy OS; I need a good command shell that is compliant with the tools I use.

Macs are a little more acceptable, but still foreign to me. :-/

For ideological, preferential, and technical reasons: I'm still a Linux deviant. :P

Bob Keane
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June 2006

I may be wrong. I was referring to Thunderbird as an email client. The other replies refer to it as a web browser.

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