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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Microsoft sucks, Microsoft Windows sucks, and Microsoft Windows Phone sucks. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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bamccaig said: With Valve bringing gaming to Linux you can expect the Windows desktop to die off quickly. Not the desktop, mind you, but the Windows one. How many businesses do you think are going to switch from Windows to ValveOS?
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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LennyLen said: How many businesses do you think are going to switch from Windows to ValveOS? How many do you think are going to switch to linux? How many already have (IBM is a big one that has switched)? One of the big reasons keeping people from (personally) switching was games. Many productivity applications already have a usable alternative on linux. -- |
LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: How many do you think are going to switch to linux? How many already have (IBM is a big one that has switched)? Super large corporations like IBM are fairly anomalous. While they are big, there are only a few such entities compared to the hundreds of thousands of mid sized businesses. Those are the ones who make up the majority of the PC users, and for the most part, all the tools they need have already been written for Windows so it doesn't make sense to jump ship to a minor platform. Quote: Many productivity applications already have a usable alternative on linux. There's a difference between usable and actively supported by a professional support team that are available 24/7.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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LennyLen said: Super large corporations like IBM are fairly anomalous. While they are big, there are only a few such entities compared to the hundreds of thousands of mid sized businesses. How about the multitude of governments and school districts across the globe? Steady stream of people switching. It's only a matter of time. Quote: There's a difference between usable and actively supported by a professional support team that are available 24/7. Such things exist for opensource software. -- |
pkrcel
Member #14,001
February 2012
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It will happen slowly. Then again whe you have examples like the ones I have in my RL job, damn...you gott ask WTF? (Long story short: we developed a HW product suite in which the server software runs on CentOS but for ONE SINGLE HW there is one and only a control tool dev'd for Windows...) It is unlikely that Google shares your distaste for capitalism. - Derezo |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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It's so cute to see people discussing this death without actual arguments, just cos'.. Windows mustdie In Russian IT world you can sometimes hear windows referred as a "mustdie"(мастдай). Nevertheless.. Windows phone market share growth rapidly. I see no reason for that to change anytime soon. And the worst thing to happen to Windows desktop, is it to become a niche OS. Which is inevitable also, but I can not imagine Windows to disappear from the market any sooner than 20yr+. Most likely not even in a century.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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I think WP8 will do as well as WP7 did. Maybe a bit better. Maybe. -- |
pkrcel
Member #14,001
February 2012
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type568 said: I can not imagine Windows to disappear from the market any sooner than 20yr+. Most likely not even in a century. I do not think it will EVER disappear It is unlikely that Google shares your distaste for capitalism. - Derezo |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: I think WP8 will do as well as WP7 did. Maybe a bit better. Maybe. It is already doing MUCH better. It is a fact.
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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LennyLen said: How many businesses do you think are going to switch from Windows to ValveOS?
Businesses don't care about games, but I didn't say that they did. I pointed out that office software will keep businesses tied in, albeit it sucks and users would be better off abandoning it, but they don't know any better so such is life. For the most part, businesses don't really have "desktops" anyway. They have "workstations". It's merely semantics, but the main difference is that the workstation probably only runs a few applications. Applications that could be replaced with free and open source ones. That is easy. The hard part was replacing games. Append: Once Linux is running in the homes users will get used to it. Suddenly the switch at work won't be so daunting or scary. Progressively it will become ideal to switch the work machines over too. Append: With regards to support, that is mostly a virtual promise in the Windows world anyway. Unless you're a big player spending 5 or 7 figures on licensing you aren't likely to get much in the way of support. Resources are limited. The downside is that a proprietary vendor actually prevents you from hiring anybody else to fix a problem or add a feature, or doing it yourself, for that matter. An open source one encourages you to fix it yourself if you want to, or find a better price for the support. It also encourages problems to be found and fixed sooner. It's basically all win for business to change to open source. Change is never free, but in the long term it will be better for the whole planet. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Nvidia killed support for 4 monitors in Linux because Windows couldn't do it. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-linux-basemosaic-ubuntu-parity,24519.html They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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The only reason they got somewhat decent multi monitor support on nvidia cards to begin with was because of windows 7 requiring some extra features. They claimed they couldn't implement XRandR 1.2+ properly due to a lacking kernel feature. Turns out, no, they were just being stupid, and didn't want to do the work required unless windows wanted the same feature set. If you want better multi (3+) display support you go intel or amd, period. NVidia's has always been a rather large joke. Sadly at the moment, nvidia has smoother 2-3 display gaming support. But AMD is working on its (driver) issues with frame timing. -- |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: they couldn't implement XRandR 1.2+ properly due to a lacking kernel feature. I thought hardware drivers ran in ring 0? In other words, they could do whatever they wanted, no need to rely on the kernel. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: I thought hardware drivers ran in ring 0? In other words, they could do whatever they wanted, no need to rely on the kernel. Exactly. Their excuse was that they needed some kind of open kernel api to get things to behave properly. I can't remember the exact thing they were looking for.. But it sounded like an excuse to me. -- |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: Nvidia killed support for 4 monitors in Linux because Windows couldn't do it. Disgusting. type568 feels good for never buying a windows licence.
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Chris Katko
Member #1,881
January 2002
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type568 said: Disgusting. type568 feels good for never buying a windows licence. Except by using Windows, even without buying it, you're still showing application developers that writing only for Windows is a viable option. Third-party developers don't care if you buy Windows, they care that they can spend less time worrying about portability. So in effect, you're still helping Microsoft. -----sig: |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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I know I do
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