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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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I've never used Illustrator, but it seems highly suspect that the software would randomly split the image into all those layers, and randomly change colors of parts of the text, etc. But, if you can show that Illustrator does this as some sort of "optimization," I'll be less skeptical. |
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MiquelFire
Member #3,110
January 2003
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The issue we have is no one here has Illustrator. Once we find someone who has it, then we can see about handling this stuff. --- |
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Alianix
Member #10,518
December 2008
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I looked at the PDF of the long form, and just by looking at it I can tell that it is very likely a fake, it is so obvious that it almost seems like it was an intended joke!
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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The Kenyan birth certificate that's floating around the web for Obama looks more real than his 'real' one. |
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Steve++
Member #1,816
January 2002
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MiquelFire said: The issue we have is no one here has Illustrator. Once we find someone who has it, then we can see about handling this stuff. Just download and install the trial version. Easy. |
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Alianix
Member #10,518
December 2008
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For your viewing pleasure... http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Alianix
Member #10,518
December 2008
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Just want to add that we can't rule out the possibility that they tried to brush the document up so that it is sharper because they were afraid that people will say you can's see signatures and such. In any case at that point it still forgery but perhaps it is still the original.
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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This is also interesting: Quote: Adobe Illustrator is not, repeat not, and repeat yet once again not a general purpose PDF file editor. Opening any arbitrary PDF file in Adobe Illustrator other than PDF files saved in that version of later of Adobe Illustrator with the editability option (which saves the Illustrator document editing data as private data within the PDF file) may result in content loss or corruption. http://forums.adobe.com/message/2326800 From 2009. Obviously Obama could have planted that message. Alianix said: Just want to add that we can't rule out the possibility that they tried to brush the document up so that it is sharper because they were afraid that people will say you can's see signatures and such. Oh no! A *gasp* reasonable explanation of why it might have been 'doctored' a bit? |
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Alianix
Member #10,518
December 2008
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But then they should have posted the original as well and say well we had brushed up the faded areas but here it is...Different from assuming people are bunch of morons and they won't notice. In any case they should not have touched the original and deal with the fact that it is so faded that it is useless, this just makes things worse...
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Examining a scanned version of a copy for fraud is kind of dumb to begin with... Even if it looked perfect, it wouldn't prove anything (especially to birthers). You have to examine the original one on file, which none of use will obviously ever be allowed to do. Hawaii ought to make some money on this and let experts analyze the original for $1 million per person. |
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Alianix
Member #10,518
December 2008
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This is NOT! the scanned version if it was it would not have layers, and even if it was scanned you can still see that it was tempered by an image editor.
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Layers being split up in that fashion are not the result of content loss or corruption. |
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Neil Roy said: I am saying that the document that was officially released on the government website contains a forged image. It IS forged, you cannot deny it. Why? Who knows. This isn't a conspiracy, it's fact What was changed vs the hard copies? The hard copies exist which IS FACT. So what did they need to change on the LEGAL birth certificate? Especially on the short form which is MORE legal than the long form? -- |
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Bob Keane
Member #7,342
June 2006
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ML said: How would Obama even know where he was born? Wasn't he there at the time? All kidding aside, I think the president should be born in the U.S. for the reasons the founding fathers intended. Releasing the document will not stop the birthers. This thread is proof. People are saying it's a fake or it's real and pointing out details on the document to support thier position. By reading this sig, I, the reader, agree to render my soul to Bob Keane. I, the reader, understand this is a legally binding contract and freely render my soul. |
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Neil Black
Member #7,867
October 2006
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BAF said: Layers being split up in that fashion are not the result of content loss or corruption.
 Although I wish he would have shown the file being layer-less before doing anything. Anyway, you can download the Illustrator trial and try for yourself, can't you?
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I don't think there's a demo of Illustrator. I'm trying out an alternative method of obtaining it though. But it's possible at this point that Obama has teamed up with Adobe to ensure that all new demos/downloads will produce layers. |
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Alianix
Member #10,518
December 2008
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It doesn't matter where he was born, the issue is why bother trying to hide the truth. The issues are that we have rules and laws that are outdated and people are distracted and consumed by pseudo problems like where was the president born. This is ridiculous, if we cared so much about this then how did we let this happen, how could he possibly become president in the first place? I feel like the world is becoming a circus...
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Steve++
Member #1,816
January 2002
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Start here. |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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There's only a "buy" option for Illustrator. @Neil Black, great video. Proves that guy wasn't really born in Germany. As luck would have it, a scanned copy of my brother's birth certificate is on my mom's old PC here. I'm going to see if it's a fake. |
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mEmO
Member #1,124
March 2001
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Adobe must be generating a lot of sales from this... is Obama secretly in league with them? What can their motives be? Perhaps they are behind the PSN scandal as well? Are they selling American credit card information to the Chinese? Seriously, you're on par with McCarthy. It's actually hard for an outsider to believe that this whole issue is anything but a joke. --------------------------------------------- |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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This demo of Acrobat Pro is useless. It doesn't even have an optimize feature that I can see. Off to try alternative sources. |
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Goalie Ca
Member #2,579
July 2002
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Lolololol. Just saying that it's a little arrogant to assume you can expertly detect a forgery when most of you don't even know how image compression or scanning technologies actually work. Even fox news says STFU about this whole affair. ------------- |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Uhm, we watched a guy who said he was an expert from Georgia show us layers. That's a fact. You just have your head buried in Canadian oilfield. Can you seriously trust Fox News? They have been working with Obama and Hawaii since the 60s. |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Neil Black said: Although I wish he would have shown the file being layer-less before doing anything. Anyway, you can download the Illustrator trial and try for yourself, can't you? Load the PDF up in Acrobat, zoom in, and scroll around. The split-second lag where it only renders some of the layers seems to back up the fact that there are separate layers. Unless you think Adobe made Acrobat split the PDF into layers, just so it could optimize rendering by only drawing some of them. |
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