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More complaints that I am racist..
Timorg
Member #2,028
March 2002

Another year of teaching and another complaint to the department that I am racist. I was handing out the assignments so that I could mark them. I was reading the students names out. I came to an Indian students name, I had no hope of pronouncing it, and I said "I have no hope of pronouncing this silly name, and he isn't here anyway." There were Indian students in the room, and they went upstairs to the department head, saying that I said all Indian names were stupid.

This isn't the 1st time I have had complaints. Last year, I asked all the students who weren't in my class to please leave. Some Indian students went upstairs and complained that I only asked them to leave cause of their nationality. I just pointed out that I asked a Korean and two Skips to leave at the same time. So it was just put down to the students were out to cause trouble.

I doubt anything will come of this, it just annoys me, because I have really good Indian friends, and I like to think I don't discriminate on race.

Edit:
A Skip is an Australian.

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verthex
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September 2009
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I guess... ;D

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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That's what you get for living in a country that doesn't tolerate racism.

GullRaDriel
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September 2003
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It's anti-racist's racism.

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Peter Wang
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April 2000

Timorg said:

because I have really good Indian friends

Would you say... some of your best friends are Indians?

;D

Johan Halmén
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September 2001

If you think a name is silly just because you can't pronounce it, you are a racist. This is the main essence in the whole episode. Saying that gives the impression of you that you consider everything silly that is not a part of your own culture. You can argue against this and say that you didn't mean it that way. Or use any other arguments against this, but the fact remains that saying what you said makes you look like a racist.

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mEmO
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March 2001
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If you think a name is silly just because you can't pronounce it, you are a racist

No, he is not. If he thinks a person is stupid because of his/her genetic traits, he is a racists. Everything else is just cultural intolerance. And quite frankly, if you are so bloody sensitive that you go cry to your mother/the dean/the media about someone not being able to pronounce your name, you pretty much deserve every last bit of intolerance coming your way, since you reek of it yourself. Tolerance is a two-way street, you know...

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Timorg
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March 2002

I only called the name silly, because the 1st name had 7 letters and the surname had 15 letters. Perhaps I shouldn't have said that the name was silly, I was silly for not being able to pronounce it. But to have an official complaint put in, over the situation is going to far. Directly talk to me about it, talk to my boss, talk to the student representative. I feel that by going to the head of department, they are scape-goating me.

@Johan Halmén:
It was a poor choice of words, that came out sounding racist. They are well within their rights to complain to the head. The department will investigate, and find that I am not racist. I might be stupid, but not racist.

Some international students (of all races), feel that by paying $94,000usd a year are entitled to be waited on hand and foot. When the staff just do the work they are paid to do, and don't bend or break rules for students, that they deserve contempt. If I had of just asked them to leave and only had my students in the lab, this wouldn't have come up. Yet again a good indication that I am stupid.

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Jonatan Hedborg
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July 2004
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mEmO said:

about someone not being able to pronounce your name

I think it was more about

Timorg said:

I have no hope of pronouncing this silly name, and he isn't here anyway.

(my emphasis), which I think is a really stupid thing to say.

I get a bit of Office Space "Nagh... nagheen...not gonna work here anymore hehe"-feeling from it :P

amarillion
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January 2001
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A teacher can't call a students name "silly". That is just not right. Your students are right to be upset.

You could be right theoretically about not being a racist, but that doesn't matter. It is your image that matters. You're going to get a really negative image over this if you don't apologize immediately. If you fight this, you'll lose serious standing.

edit: I commented on Skips but nevermind, I see you're Australian yourself.

Timorg
Member #2,028
March 2002

I am going to apologise to the Indian student in my class. I shouldn't have called his name silly. I have been teaching him for 12 weeks now, and I know that he won't be offended.

As for the negative image, I am going apologise to the student, if the other students are going to think less of me, without speaking to the person I made an insulting remark about. Then I will have to live with that, I have learnt a lesson over this, and it won't be happening again.

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Bob Keane
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The thing you have to watch out for is that now you have two complaints to worry about. The administration is going to wonder if there is a pattern.

Timorg said:

I just pointed out that I asked a Korean and two Skips to leave at the same time.

You should have mentioned you asked all students that were not part of the class to leave. Because you mentioned race, someone could read more than you intend into that statement.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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Bob Keane said:

You should have mentioned you asked all students that were not part of the class to leave. Because you mentioned race, someone could read more than you intend into that statement.

Though to be nitpicky, Korean and Australian are labels for nationality, not race. ;)

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April 2000
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verthex
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September 2009
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Aha ;D

Sirocco
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April 2000
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Yes, but apparently being a child molester trumps them all. The perceived order of wrongness these days is as such: child molester, racist, murderer, everything else.

Noting that a student's name is "silly" may be unprofessional, but calling it racism is out of the question.

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verthex
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Sirocco said:

child molester, racist, murderer, everything else.

...And serial killers are all of the above. Anyone ever hear of Jeffrey Dahmer, one sick fucker.

Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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If you think a name is silly just because you can't pronounce it, you are a racist.

Nope.

mEmO said:

No, he is not. If he thinks a person is stupid because of his/her genetic traits, he is a racists.

Hmm....Nope. That would make you a jerk at that point.

Racist means you blindly hate a race or religion for no reason (look at the KKK, they hated Blacks, Jews, and all non-white groups just cause they thought Whites were going to be a super race). Sadly, racism is everywhere.

Timorg, I don't think you are racist, but I think your Indian students may be racist themselves. After all two years in a row with Indian students reporting you both times. If I was the head and dean I'd take that into consideration.

amarillion
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January 2001
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After all two years in a row with Indian students reporting you both times.

It does seem these students are rather trigger happy.

Still, those students will probably be gone before you, right? So you'll have to take the long term view on this.

Vanneto
Member #8,643
May 2007

A teacher can't call students/their names silly? Where is this world coming to? Well, if you think that is too much, I won't even begin to talk about what happens in our classroom. 'Silly' is a compliment, I have been called many things, and others in my class too (by the teacher), we laughed, the teacher laughed, we all laughed.

We didn't go complain, we took it with humor...

Indian Over-sensitive pussies.

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verthex
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September 2009
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Not much else on this topic

Shravan
Member #10,724
February 2009
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@Timorg:What about the attacks going on,on Indians(and maybe students of other nationality too) in Australia.What would you call that?

Vanneto
Member #8,643
May 2007

I would call it silly. Besides, what does that have to do with calling a name silly?

And let me guess, you are Indian, correct?

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Shravan
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February 2009
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Timorg felt that the name was silly because 1st name had seven letters and surname 15 letters.I don't think there is any kind of limit on number of letters one should have in their name.Moreover, people have the names of grandpas or fathers as their surname.So,don't feel the names to be silly.Someone's name may look weird to some one else.
Finally i would call this incident as a consequence of communication gap between the sir and his students.

Kitty Cat
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October 2002
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Shravan said:

I don't think there is any kind of limit on number of letters one should have in their name.

I don't think anyone's saying that it should. Doesn't mean it can't be silly-looking though, nor does it imply racism when it does.

If I run across a name that I have trouble pronouncing, and looks weird, and I know the person wouldn't be offended, why should I not be able to call the name 'silly'? He's not calling the person silly, he's not calling the person's race silly. Unless you want to imply that a person's racial identity should tied to the style of their name.. :P

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