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Earth Day, the media crock
Mark Oates
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March 2001
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What upsets me is that none of the "go green" hype is really solving the root of the problem. I'm a little dismayed at how advertising and broadcasting companies are spinning their products to look green instead of it actually being green. It's doing the same thing but calling it different, or at best causing only marginal changes. If anybody saw the John Stuart show yesterday, the "moment of zen" was when a magician turned Elmo green with the wave of a wand, as if painting yourself green is all it takes to improve our environment. Some examples:

1. 'clean coal' would be better described as 'just slightly less than dirty coal'.
2. new car commercials are conveying the message "our car is the green car of the future" even though it's the same crap. The new Honda slogan is "finally, it's here" implying that it's pollutant-free
3. someone who separates their trash to recycle, thinking that will make a difference.

On top of that, I saw some Earth Day report by a CNN correspondent about what you can do, and it was all a bunch of weak-sauce baloney just like the tech correspondent. One of his suggestions was "get a glass cup and wash it instead of using plastic cups."

Really. REALLY!??

The whole thing is making me upset, and causes me to ask "is there anything that we can really do?"

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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Of course there are things we can do. The problem is that no one wants to spend the money to do them.

We'll continue the way we're going until it becomes profitable to go another way. Hopefully someone will realize that it's profitable to not all die and decide to spend the money necessary to keep the Earth in a state that can support human life.

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Member #5,401
January 2005

It's like Mr. Smith said in the Matrix. WE (the humans) are the virus destroying the world.
The only thing we can really do is to go away.

Sol Blast
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April 2008
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3. someone who separates their trash to recycle, thinking that will make a difference.

Why won't it?

Neil Black
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October 2006
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WE (the humans) are the virus destroying the world.

Now isn't that an egocentric view. As if we've done anything to threaten the existence of the world. We've merely threatened our own existence, along with most of the rest of life on Earth. The planet will still be here no matter what we do.

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Sol Blast said:

Why won't it?

My understanding is that the benefits are incredibly marginal. Even if everyone in the entire world did it.

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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Quote:

It's marginal.

Every little bit helps. Recycling alone may not do much, but it may turn out to be that one tiny little snowflake that starts the avalanche of us not all dying.

EDIT:

Stop editing while I'm responding to you, dammit!

count
Member #5,401
January 2005

The planet will still be here no matter what we do.

Yea. The planet will still be here. Some species more or less makes no diffrences :P

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Stop editing while I'm responding to you, dammit!

sorry. I'm a bit of a re-re-re-edit type personality.

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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Quote:

I'm a bit of a re-re-re-editor type personality.

I get that way sometimes, too. That's why I always make sure to mark my edits, because I know how confusing it can be if someone's response doesn't match my post.

Mark Oates
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it may turn out to be that one tiny little snowflake that starts the avalanche of us not all dying.

I'm saying we're not talking about the mountain.

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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I'm saying we're not talking about the mountain.

And I'm saying don't dis the snowflake.

mEmO
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March 2001
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Every little bit helps.

No, no it doesn't. It's like premature optimization; it doesn't help to reduce the time your rendering function takes by 1ms if you have a blocking call in your networking code. (this analogy assumes a single threaded approach, of course)

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Neil Black
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October 2006
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mEmO said:

this analogy assumes a single threaded approach, of course

And thus it fails.

It is wrong if all we do is recycle. But it is not wrong to recycle as a small part of a much larger effort.

Matthew Leverton
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The whole thing is making me upset, and causes me to ask "is there anything that we can really do?"

Uhm... yeah. You can do all the small things that are within your control. Oh wait? Do you think that each individual can solve the problem from the very top? Or do you think there's some person at the top that needs to do it for you?

LennyLen
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December 2004
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Probably the most impact you can have as an individual is to lobby local body and national government to introduce legislation to stop industry from causing so much damage. There are hundreds of thousands of companies that throw away more recyclable goods in a day than what an individual could recycle in a month.

Likewise, residential pollution is insignificant compared to industrial pollution. Probably the biggest obstacle to overcome with this however is the governments of developing nations who are happy to have their environment destroyed if it means they can entice corporations to move their manufacturing base there.

But for comapnies that can't do that, the best way to get them to shape up is to make it cheaper for them to operate cleanly than to act wastefully, and that requires hitting them with hefty fines for environmental infractions.

Onewing
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August 2005
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As Dr. House would say, "People don't change." Hopefully, the "Going Green" trend will at least be a start in opening people's eyes to the changes we're going to have to make eventually, even if it isn't really changing anything now. Actually, Al Gore is the real start. ;D

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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Those asteroid strikes (that are down to every few million years by now) and other stuff such as the Yellowstone supervolcano make our puny efforts to ruin the ecology look lame, we're just taking ourselves too seriously.
OTOH, if we want everything to stay exactly the same... naw, won't happen.

http://www.scienceclarified.com/scitech/Comets-and-Asteroids/When-Comets-and-Asteroids-Strike-Earth.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervolcano

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

gnolam
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March 2002
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someone who separates their trash to recycle, thinking that will make a difference.

That depends entirely on the trash. Some things make a huge difference[1], some not at all. It also depends on the waste infrastructure already in place. For example, everything that's even remotely combustible[2] goes right in the trash for me, since I get it back in the form of remote heating (my city runs both a remote heating plant and a biogas plant entirely on garbage).

You also have to keep in mind that recycling is about saving on two[3] different things: resources and energy. You have to look at the benefits of both to decide if it's worth it or not - nowadays, people have a tendency to be so CO2 fixated that they forget all about resource usage.

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  1. E.g. aluminum.
  2. Except paper, which there are other good reasons to recycle.
  3. Three, if you live in one of those Third World countries that dumps everything in landfills, in which case "landfill space" is also a consideration.

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GameCreator
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July 2002
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My cynical side tends to think that this is merely a way for people to feel good about themselves. After all, what's the alternative? Tell people that there's really nothing useful they can do? Sure, go save the world. Why not?

Johan Halmén
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April 2000
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My cynical side tends to think that this is merely a way for people to feel good about themselves.

I definitely get that feeling a lot too (especially when it comes to some recycling).

I completely with Mark's sentiment about the media's effort to try and capitalize on the whole Earth day thing to improve their image. On a side note, I find it interesting how The Daily Show seems to have been changing from satirizing politics to satirizing the media lately. I actually really like the way they're doing it, and it seems so easy...most of the time all they need to do to make a joke is show a clip from any of the cable news networks because they crap they say sometimes is so ridiculous.

ImLeftFooted
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October 2003
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I've decided my life has immense meaning and that I am so important that I must act now to save the world from destruction!!!!

... or was that just the 007 film I watched?

ixilom
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April 2006
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I don't care. I wont be here century.

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A few hours later I notice I missed a "next" there. Next century of course.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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I like to use EXTRA energy just to make somebody's hour worthless. ;D

No, I'm kidding, but I wouldn't hold it against somebody that did. I think I'm relatively energy conservative as is. I don't make sacrifices, but I try to be careful not to waste resources. Most people don't so their hour doesn't compare to the countless resources they waste the rest of the year. I don't practice Earth Day. ::)

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