The anti-christmascard

The anti-christmascard

Trezker

Member #1,739

December 2001

It was normal to die around 30-40, I would've been considered an old man if I lived then. But if you lived past 40 you could live on just as long as the oldest people today. Some people just have it in them to live a long life.

As for the bible, my humble opinion is that it's just a tool created by man in order to control people. Religion probably didn't mean anything more than a route to power for those who created it. Christianity really doesn't give of much shininess when it comes to spirituality.

Buddhism, hinduism, asatru, american natives belief in nature etc. all have some form of spiritual base. They all try to show people a path to improvement while christianity just acts like a big brother society that makes you feel guilty no matter how you live your life.

As I see it, if you were totally free of religion and had to choose one. Christianity sure hits rock bottom on the list. It looks totally pointless and has no unique selling point. If it was a game, only idiots would pay for it.

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OICW

Member #4,069

November 2003

Trezker: you think in similar way as I do.

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Jakub Wasilewski

Member #3,653

June 2003

Religion was once banned as a topic of discussion in the Allegro.cc Forums (along with politics). With good reason, it seems. I just don't think it's possible to hold an intelligent discussion about religion - both side's arguments are void for the other side, and eventually, one of the sides forgets about any sort of respect for other people's beliefs. How about reinstating the ban?

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OICW

Member #4,069

November 2003

Jakub: that's not a bad idea. Besides I have nothing to say to this topic, since I know that theese discussions are pointless and my sig should be applied to them. Oh I must sincerely and frankly admit that as long as someone doesn't force me to believe his religion I have respect for him...

Trezker

Member #1,739

December 2001

Yeah, the believers will never see beyond the mist of belief and always spam on with the same pointless and mostly invalid arguments.
There are always people who fill in with spam that sometimes hold interesting info but mostly just crap.

The intelligent conversation just gets lost in the masses since most people are idiots. Only a few of us have broken through a barrier of awareness and see the potential of mankind. Sadly, mankind may very well destroy itself before it breaks through that barries as a race.

If mankind ever becomes an intelligent race, communism will finally be possible.

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Johan Halmén

Member #1,550

September 2001

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both side's arguments are void for the other side

Probably because they don't discuss the same thing. And neither side knows that.

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Kibiz0r

Member #6,203

September 2005

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If mankind ever becomes an intelligent race, communism will finally be possible.

And if we can't? If we blow ourselves up over something we made up in the first place -- be it money, territory, or religion -- is it really a bad thing? I figure, as long as we go quietly and don't take the entire planet with us, it's all good. We've had our go and blatantly failed so far; if we can't, or won't, redeem ourselves, then the planet as a whole is better off. Let some other species have a shot at it.

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Onewing

Member #6,152

August 2005

Wow, what a funny thread. It seems the non-christian team (not mentioning how far they out number the opposing team) have scored quite a few more points, despite a few irrelevant arguments. I'd try to shoot a three pointer to bring us back in the game, but gnolam's a friggin' tall foe. I'd rather just suck on my thumb.

Anyway, can't we all just get a long. Yes, I mean a "long", not "along". Pssh, I said I'd rather suck on my thumb...

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FrankyR

Member #243

April 2000

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Probably because they don't discuss the same thing. And neither side knows that.

I really like that statement. I'm going to use it sometime

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23yrold3yrold

Member #1,134

March 2001

I like to think I do, since I used to be the other side. Main reason I laugh at certain posts here is because I used to say the same thing.

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gnolam

Member #2,030

March 2002

AriesNL said:

The way you talk about Witchcraft and wicca tells me you know nothing about it except some "faitytales" you've been told

If you truely want to know what witchcraft is, read a good book about it.
Before giving an opinion about something you know nothing about.

AriesNL, translated, said:

You're wrong you're wrong but I'm not going to give any arguments LALALACAN'THEARYOU

I really want to know what YOUR definition of witchcraft is. Yes, really. Because normally, witchcraft refers to one or more of the following:

Any norm deviation that got women executed in the 17th century.
Neopaganistic beliefs or rituals (see ¹ or ²).
Variants and derivatives of Crowleyism (see ²).

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Jonatan Hedborg

Member #4,886

July 2004

Kill it with fire! (the thread that is)

Religious and political discussions never "work out". No one will "win". No one will change their minds about their personal views. Lets let the Christians believe in their little magical prophet and let the atheists/pagans/whateverians burn in hell or whatever it's at stake here.

Just close the darn thread and ban religious and political discussions

manjula

Member #3,569

June 2003

And so this is Christmas
For weak and for strong
The rich and the poor ones
The world is so wrong
And so happy Christmas
For black and for white
For yellow and red ones
Let's stop all the fight

A very Merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

OICW

Member #4,069

November 2003

From my point of view religion is generaly bad - just see what it does among us, or, what is more, in the world (think of crusades, Jihad, ...). Howg.

Kibiz0r

Member #6,203

September 2005

Maybe there should just be one megathread for religious discussion. I don't think banning it, period, will stop the urge to discuss it. At least this way we can keep it contained?

Argh, there's a bat outside my window and it's driving me insane with its incessant yelling.

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Trezker

Member #1,739

December 2001

That the god Brangur's bat, he's keeping an eye on you!

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23yrold3yrold

Member #1,134

March 2001

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Maybe there should just be one megathread for religious discussion. I don't think banning it, period, will stop the urge to discuss it. At least this way we can keep it contained?

Maybe we should make a seperate forum for it. On another web site! Yeah! I wonder if that's been done before ....

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Kibiz0r

Member #6,203

September 2005

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Maybe we should make a seperate forum for it. On another web site! Yeah! I wonder if that's been done before ....

Hilarious, you. If people want to discuss it, they're already atheists. And what's the point of going "Theists are dumb!" "Yeah, theists are dumb!" "I agree!"?

And that's why a fairly neutral place like allegro.cc is appealing. I understand that a lot of people don't want to talk about it, but if people did talk about it, wouldn't everyone be better off? Imagine if scientists all did their own independent experiments and never shared their discoveries. We'd still be in the stone age!

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23yrold3yrold

Member #1,134

March 2001

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Hilarious, you. If people want to discuss it, they're already atheists.

I am? I mean, I was, but ...

Anyway, the main point is if you want to discuss it, there's no shortage of outlets. This one, for example Atheism, religion, evolution, you name it.

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Ariesnl

Member #2,902

November 2002

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Religion was once banned as a topic of discussion in the Allegro.cc Forums (along with politics). With good reason, it seems. I just don't think t's possible to hold an intelligent discussion about religion - both side's arguments are void for the other side, and eventually, one of the sides forgets about any sort of respect for other people's beliefs. How about reinstating the ban?

I think freedom of speech should outweight the small problems with certain persons;)

@gnolam and anyone else who wants to know :

Witchcraft is a religion but it's NOT a belief.
Like Buddhism it's a way of looking at the world (in the broadest meaning)

So how do witches see the world?

There is more than just molecules and physics. In essence we are spirits (now and here) in a physical form.
For life (and other things) to flourish there has to be balance between 5 "Elements" The interwoven line of a pentagram referes to that.
If you look at the world in a bigger of smaller "level" things will repeat themselves
Things are in vibration (repeating movement) for example Tides and seasons
"Earth is "frozen" fire" Matter and energy are interchangable
All things are connected like a clockwork, change/destroy one thing and the whole system will change or even fail
Nature has a will of it's own.

As for the ten commandments, you can live to all ten of them and still treat people (or others) verry bad.
Witches only have one "commandment" DO NO HARM !
It brings responsibillity and having to think over your actions. But it is a clear mesage.

What is Wicca ?

In the 1950's Gerald Gardner "made" a new religion and he borrowed a lot of things from Witchcraft.
He also added a hierarchy in his new religion. Witches don't believe in "All follow the big leader" and history has proven we where right.

Is Wicca bad (or evil)?
No !, as any religion it has some good things. It opened up the discussion about pagan religions.
The only problem is they (mostly) call themselve witches wich adds to the confusion.

Other religions:

Witches strongly feel that everyone should be free to choose his / her religion.
And as long as a religion doesn't enslave or restrict people, or make people unhappy, one religion is as good as the other.

There is a lot more to tell about witchcraft but I hope I made some things clear, at least to those who want to know

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Johan Halmén

Member #1,550

September 2001

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If people want to discuss it, they're already atheists.

Yes. Or believers.

Atheist: "Religion is stupid. It's not science."
Theist: "Well, if it were science, it wouldn't be religion."
Atheist: "Sorry, our fault. But you keep on claiming that science is false."
Theist: "Sorry, our fault. Guess we're talking about different things here. What were you talking about?"
Atheist: "Science. And you?"
Theist: "Religion."
Both: "AHAA, right!"

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Years of thorough research have revealed that the red "x" that closes a window, really isn't red, but white on red background.

Years of thorough research have revealed that what people find beautiful about the Mandelbrot set is not the set itself, but all the rest.

gnolam

Member #2,030

March 2002

So, yeah, $NEOPAGANISM_VARIANT. Probably. I ask for a definition and I get... Nature's Harmonic Simultaneous 4-day Unspecific Rambling About Elements and Gaia.

I now officially give up trying to get something decipherable out of that man.

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Ariesnl

Member #2,902

November 2002

- Witchcraft is more than 3000 years old so skip the "neo"
- I gave you a definition, the problem is you don't want it

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gnolam

Member #2,030

March 2002

Definitely! I mean, it's not like it's a bunch of heteregonous beliefs, each with a whopping great historical discontinuity, blended into one another when reconstructed by non-historians in modern days! I'd better go tell my archeologist buddies - they'll be thrilled to know of this! I mean, dude, 3000 years!

... so yeah, neopaganism, which means my previous posts still stand. And with that, the thread holds nothing more for me.

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Ariesnl

Member #2,902

November 2002

I think you mean Anthropologists
Archeologists dig more in the "Earth" element

and believe it or not the solstices are even older

Witchcraft never discontinued.
It's only more "visible" now, because more and more people don't believe the lies of the christian church anymore. So more people are attracted to religions that fit with how they think.
If whole families are murderd because they think different (even a little, Protestants where also burned at the stake or beheaded if they where lucky) you have a good reason to hide.

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