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Scientific Discovery: Woman are 'Nasty'
nonnus29
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August 2002
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We've always suspected woman are evil, now there's proof. Well, 'nasty' at least:

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"We know that the reproductive tract in females can be a nasty place for sperm," Hodgson told LiveScience. The acidity can kill many sperm, and scientists think some females' immune systems attack sperm as a "foreign object."

Hey, don't take my word for it...

Steve Terry
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March 2002
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So... you are saying men are like sperm and women are like the reproductive tract... that puts some very strange pictures in my head. Otherwise this is very old news to me.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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Women. :P

23yrold3yrold
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March 2001
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We've always suspected woman are evil, now there's proof.

sigh Here's an idea; give me the grants for these scientific studies and I'll just tell you obvious stuff like this every so often. Much more efficient.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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scientists think some females' immune systems attack sperm

No shit! Wheres the "security" if all 5,000,000 or so got through? Sheesh. Its supposed to be "Survival of the Fittest".. Yow.

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CGamesPlay
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July 2002
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Billybob
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January 2003

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No shit! Wheres the "security" if all 5,000,000 or so got through? Sheesh. Its supposed to be "Survival of the Fittest".. Yow.

I'm curious. Is that important? Survival of the fittest sperm? I guess it would depend on what causes the formation of the sperm. I can't remember that part of my biology class. If the sperm's formation and function is dependent on the genes it ends up with, then I suppose it is important as long as the genes that determine sperm fitness also determine the fitness of the full organism that will be created.
If the sperm is formed in a way that is not dependent on the genes, then I see no reason for survival of the fittest in this case.

X-G
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December 2000
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For once Helium is right, individual sperm potency has nothing to do with survival of the most fit.

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Billybob
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January 2003

The little Helis like to fight anyway :-*

Evert
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November 2000
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For once Helium is right, individual sperm potency has nothing to do with survival of the most fit.

Depends. There's selection against having lazy/bad sperm. You can have many good qualities, but if your sperm is useless, you are not the most fit.
It's semantics, I know.

Billybob
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January 2003

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Depends. There's selection against having lazy/bad sperm. You can have many good qualities, but if your sperm is useless, you are not the most fit.
It's semantics, I know.

Ahh yes, that's true. I was thinking monogamously.

Evert
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November 2000
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Monogamy has nothing to do with it.
Even if you're monogamous, you're still likely to produce less offspring than another man with better sperm, assuming the women are equally fertile. Your male descendants will have a higher chance of inheriting your bad sperm (assuming the bad quality has to do with genes, which isn't necessary), which reduces their chance of offspring as well. It's just a matter of statistics.

Of course assuming all women are equally fertile is incorrect, but it's still true that given the same chances (or hypothetically the same woman), you produce less children than your competition.

X-G
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December 2000
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I know, Evert. I tried to avoid that by saying individual sperm potency, as clearly if your sperm in general isn't very potent you're not going to be able to reproduce, and hence is not the most fit. I meant that individual sperm do not compete for fitness with each other to any degree that would influence the fitness of the resulting child; as far as I know there's nothing to indicate that a particular sperm's superior mobility and resilience has any direct connection to good qualities in the offspring.

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miran
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June 2002

In many species, especially in mammals, when females are in heat, they mate with several males. The one that gets there first and the one whose sperm is fittest has most chance of impregnating the female. I think homo sapiens is one of those species, although in modern civilisation things are a little different...

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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The one that gets there first and the one whose sperm is fittest has most chance of impregnating the female.

The article claims that it's the one that gets there last that has the most chance.

miran
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June 2002

Oh rigth, it makes sense...

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Steve++
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January 2002

Think of it this way: Although the male that gets there last has the most probability of success, he also has the most probability of catching something nasty that will shorten his life. Who wants sloppy seconds anyway? Not me, that's for sure.

Tobias Dammers
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August 2002
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The one that gets there first and the one whose sperm is fittest has most chance of impregnating the female. I think homo sapiens is one of those species, although in modern civilisation things are a little different...

Not quite "first" or "last" with humans. It's rather a "window of opportunity", which lasts quite a few days (something like 1 to 2 weeks IIRC), and pretty much anyone who gets to hit that window has a chance. If you're late, fast agile sperm is an advantage, while early in the window, slower (but more resistant) sperms would be better.
While human females don't mate with different males on the same day that frequently, different candidates within the same "window" are definitely possible. Nothing to do with civilization BTW. The only civilized thing that messes with evolution is birth control.

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relay01
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Never trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die.

Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha... *tear

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piccolo
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January 2003
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hey dose this make you think of a nice on-line game some one should make it,
sperms vs the emuns and obstickles protect the egg vs reach egg. who will win who will be the savior out of the sperms than its a race.

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nonnus29
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August 2002
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hey dose this make you think of a nice on-line game some one should make it,
sperms vs the emuns and obstickles protect the egg vs reach egg. who will win who will be the savior out of the sperms than its a race.

I'm being completely serious and completely compassionate when I ask the following: Dude, are you retarded?

piccolo
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January 2003
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hey its a cool idea i thing it will make some loot or even fame. :P

i think ill my it and copy right it. think out side of the box young one.

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HardTranceFan
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June 2006
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Tobias Dammers said:

It's rather a "window of opportunity", which lasts quite a few days (something like 1 to 2 weeks IIRC)

The sperm can last up to a week, but the window of opportunity is only about a day, when the woman ovulates.

nonnus29 said:

I'm being completely serious and completely compassionate when I ask the following: Dude, are you retarded?

Whatever his issue, he comes up with some beauties.

piccolo said:

hey its a cool idea i thing it will make some loot or even fame.

Mate, are you writing with a lisp? ;D

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miran
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June 2002

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Dude, are you retarded?

That's a rhetorical question...

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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I'm being completely serious and completely compassionate when I ask the following: Dude, are you retarded?

That's a pretty cruel thing to say about retarded people.

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