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NEWS: George Bush has been assasinated |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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But Saddam hasn't lost yet - according to the American intelligence services, he is in hiding and probably coordinating the ongoing (guerilla) war. A man that delusional may still believe he is going to win! Quote: I wouldn't call Israel one the most thoroughly religious What about the special rights allowed the strictly orthodox Jews, such as not having to take part in national service, etc? I'm fairly sure one of the opposition parties made the removal of such rights one of their main planks in the last election (?), which is how come I would think I know anything about it. Quote: Interestingly enough, someone connected to the Iraq WMD fiasco is dead. And the combined careers of Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair seem likely to be going with the poor guy. There wasn't a newspaper without this on the front page yesterday and a critical article. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
elver
Member #3,670
July 2003
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Iraqi forces did set fire to some oil fields, although I'm not sure if it was by Saddam's order or not. That's an act of desperation. Personally I like one pretty common theory. All Iraqi WMD programs were shut down in the beginning of 1990s, but the WMD research programs continued. It is believed that about 3-4 scientists were working on various WMD-related programs. This theory is good for many people. George: the Iraqis did have a WMD project. Big enough to be a bit scary and small enough for no traces of it to be found. Saddam: he kept his word to protect the people of Iraq. It's not entirely true what's been said about Iraq. Sure, the leaders are cruel, but the people have pretty good access to western cultures and the internet. They had a TV channel that rebroadcasted US shows and a newspaper that translated stories from all over the world. And internet cafes were there as well, although with about 1$ per hour, not everyone had access. Not as bad as Iran who pulled some strings in Cuba to get Fidel to jam a satellite uplink that broadcasted revolutionary programmes from USA to Iran. Europe and weapon inspectors: the inspectors did their work well in 90s bringing down the WMD programs. And Europe's claim that there were no WMDs would be true as well since the amounts would be insignificant. Probably something that an evil genius everywhere could cook up So to sum things up: George screwed up. Although, that Condoleezza chick looks far more scarier than Georgie |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Johan Halmén said: Korval should be awarded for his long posting. Is it the longest one in this forum? -- |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: And Europe's claim... Did I sleep in and miss the creation of a European president and/or foreign minister? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Quote: Edit: Wow, there's a lot of interesting discussions on the gamedev forums. You haven't seen the half of it; there used to be a Politics forum during the war so the Lounge would be free of the subject (people were getting sick of it). They shut it down a couple of weeks ago, but some very interesting discussion went on in there -- |
manjula
Member #3,569
June 2003
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Quote: Laughing at people deaths is just not funny, or maybe you think it would be funny if I suddenly told you that, for example, Diana or Manjuela are dead (and you beleived it of course)?
I am not dead. and how dare u compare my death to George Bush's death! How insulting! |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Yeah, at least the Chimp-in-Chief is alive. Manjula is just a cartoon character -- |
manjula
Member #3,569
June 2003
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You all still believe that I'm Yves? |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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I care more about some cartoon characters than I do about some people I know in real life. -- |
the_y_man
Member #1,770
December 2001
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Quote: you think it would be funny if I suddenly told you that, for example, Diana or Manjuela are dead (and you beleived it of course)? actually i would think it's funny because i would be the firt one to find out (before you) because we live in the same house. Quote: Yves and 23 (with all those images) have too much time
What can u expect? it's summer vacation in Canada. Me gots lottsa time in me hands http://www.geocities.com/the_crazyguy00/BushWillHitIt.jpg |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Yeah, but you didn't make those -- |
lambik
Member #899
January 2001
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Now Yves, that was not funny. I switched on CNN when I saw the header of your post before reading the rest of it. It reminded me of the murder on the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn about a year ago. I didn't like him at all and thought he was very dangerous but his murder had very nasty repercussions. Practically rendering the country politically ungovernable adn paranoia. |
Marcello
Member #1,860
January 2002
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Sam: It's another polik-tical discussion, steve. |
Andrei Ellman
Member #3,434
April 2003
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23yrold3yrold said: You only have to look at the American public's opinions in the latest polls; over 30% think we've already found the WMD's, over 50% think Saddam was behind 9/11, etc. ... Now that I find worrying. Bear in mind that these are the same people who will be deciding who gets to be president of the most dominant nation on the planet in 2004. These people are not nescescarily ignorant. I believe a lot of them have just been mis-informed. The American press is notorious for being biased towards the government. Often, some of the Americans who prefer to be more informed browse the BBC News website (a News service put out by the UK's BBC) just because they believe it's less biased. AE. -- |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Hey, come on, in a recent survey 70% of Americans thought the United Kingdom was 'somewhere in the middle east'. The fact is this: in America education is just like everything else, a priviledge of the rich. Other recent studies have shown that nowadays class mobility is more common in Europe than America also, and what with the continuing descrimination against minorities (genuine quote from CSI: "sorry sir, we had a report of a black man on your lawn", see also the refusal to make Spanish an official language) and a government happy to give tax breaks exclusively to the rich I wouldn't be surprised if America is the most class divided of all the western nations at present. Quote: Often, some of the Americans who prefer to be more informed browse the BBC News website Also, if you get BBC News 24 you can have a good laugh whenever they pipe across the ABC World news - covering the entire world from just south of Canada to just north of Mexico. Quote: It reminded me of the murder on the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn My [Dutch] housemate seemed to be offended when I referred to him as a liberal fascist... just how mainstream was he? [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Sirocco
Member #88
April 2000
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Quote: The fact is this: in America education is just like everything else, a priviledge of the rich.
Bold words coming from someone who has (I'm assuming) neither lived nor grown up in the United States. If that isn't the case, then there's even less of an excuse for that remark Normally I don't prefer to engage in political or social discussions, but that is quite an absurd statement, and a gross display of ignorance on the subject at that. In any country, education is based partly on the establishment, and partly on the performance (and initiative) of the student involved. Money has nothing to do with that in the United States. Students decide on their own whether they wish to excel or languish within the confines of the school system. Having money can buy you a supposedly adequate college education, but it has zero impact on the public school system. Now, if you're arguing that schools in the private sector are more effective -- that's also an incorrect assumption. Both public and private schools tend to push students through, regardless of their fitness to proceed to a higher level of education, but the overall quality of teaching varies little throughout the country; and it is certainly not exclusively "a priviledge of the rich." --> |
23yrold3yrold
Member #1,134
March 2001
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Heh; the homeschooled have been getting better educations in the US that the public school kids -- |
lambik
Member #899
January 2001
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Quote: My [Dutch] housemate seemed to be offended when I referred to him as a liberal fascist... You are not too far off there IMO. Not a fascist but very right-wing. Quote: just how mainstream was he?
Well, seeing as his party became the second largest in those elections, he had quite a lot of followers. Including many who usually didn't bother to vote. It was part of a movement branded "new politics" meaning listening to the general public, no more back-chamber deals etc. The usual stuff a demagogue(sp?) says, as far as I'm concerned. Anyway this made him very popular with the general public. But not with me in case it wasn't already blatantly obvious |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: Bold words coming from someone who has (I'm assuming) neither lived nor grown up in the United States. And yours are bold words coming from someone who has never been to every single school in the USA. Alternately, either: a) being told about things can give you knowledge without real experience, or... Quote: In any country, education is based partly on the establishment, and partly on the performance (and initiative) of the student involved. Money has nothing to do with that in the United States. Students decide on their own whether they wish to excel or languish within the confines of the school system I'm sorry, but this patently isn't true. The same thing is happening in this country (the UK), but is much more recent so has lesser effect. The pattern is simple - high crime areas develop which the well-off can afford to move away from. The low income families become trapped, the opportunities for employment evaporate and a cycle of crime and unemployment develop in those local areas. Growing up in such areas breeds dispair, which in turn affects the classroom and the ability of the students who do want to study. While richer families simply move to an area with 'good schools'. If left unchecked the disparity between rich and poor grows. In the USA it has been growing longer so is substantially ahead. Add in the much heightened historic racial tensions of a country composed of many more racial types and I stand by my claim. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Quote: in a recent survey 70% of Americans thought the United Kingdom was 'somewhere in the middle east'.
That's a silly sounding poll ... were they asking 6 year olds as well? I haven't visited every public school in USA, but I can trust neither have you... Any school, no matter how good or bad, would clearly explain where the UK was, etc. While a lot of European countries may be ignored, the fact that USA has direct ties to England means the UK is treated specially. I agree with Kenny's general assumption. That is, if someone wants to learn, then they can. It's very true that some schools will be more qualified (and some may be downright dangerous), but none could be so ignorant to not have a map of Europe available. There's no excuse to go through school not knowing where UK was. It goes without saying that if you don't want to learn, you wont improve your life, and you will stay in a low class. Yes, some people do have it harder than others. But if you want to eliminate class, about the only thing you can do is make everyone equally stupid and poor. Edit: Just to qualify my response a bit more, I'll go with my personal experience... I went to a free (as in cost), small private (church) school that was more of a collaborative homeschool than a traditional private school. Most of the people had similar home lifes, yet not every one one finished equally! Some people just didn't try; some people just weren't as smart. At the end of the year, there would typically be scores ranging from 16-34 on ACT tests (max of 36). A few classes, namely driver's education, we were required to take at the local public school. A classroom of kids from the same neighborhood, with the same teacher, etc. The class was so easy, yet some people failed! They just didn't try. If getting smart is nothing but living in a good community with middle class parents, then everyone in that class should have passed with honors. Instead, it's an individual effort by the student. Although I do believe that there are some situations that are harder than others - the bottom line is, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink... |
spellcaster
Member #1,493
September 2001
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: the bottom line is, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink... No it isn't. The bottom line is that some metabolisms can survive on really stinky water that has been standing out for five days and has quite a lot of dirt in, whereas all metabolisms can survive when drinking only Evian spring water. Although some die of other causes. [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
Sirocco
Member #88
April 2000
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Quote: The same thing is happening in this country (the UK), but is much more recent so has lesser effect. Oh, please excuse my misinterpretation... what you actually meant to say was: "The fact is this: in America and the U.K. education is just like everything else, a priviledge of the rich." Thousand pardons, guv'nor. Now I'm satisfied --> |
Thomas Harte
Member #33
April 2000
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Quote: Oh, please excuse my misinterpretation... what you actually meant to say was: "The fact is this: in America and the U.K. education is just like everything else, a priviledge of the rich." Thousand pardons, guv'nor. Now I'm satisfied Well, no, because the UK has:
So really, the increasing disparity in inner city schools versus all the other schools isn't just like everything else at all. Whatever you want to say about them, hospitals are pretty much the same all over! On the point proper, if I was in a maternity ward and saw in one room a newborn baby and in another a heavily pregnant mother, I might say "the fact is this: that baby has been born" whereas I would not say "the fact is this: those babies have been born". [My site] [Tetrominoes] |
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