No. There are 13 moons per annum, but the Gregorian calendar has only 12 months.

Not with the Gregorian calendar.

I think something more personal makes the most sense. Measuring time from Alpha Centauri isn't going to benefit us unless we're there. Using just our solar system isn't going to give us all of the information. We can use the positions of the outer stars as well, they also change over time.

Time is change, so we would just want to measure that change using the constants available. Simple as that. The whole idea here is that the Gregorian calendar only does that to a minor degree, it adds in all this other arbitrary made up stuff.

I know that's what science believes, and to some degree has "proven", but I don't yet understand it and refuse to accept it as absolute fact. I don't see what relationship the rate of change in spacial position has to the change in "time". It doesn't seem there would be a direct relationship between them. To me, it seems more likely that the means by which we measure time (i.e., the rate of change in things we believe to be constant) are altered by the rate of change in spacial position. Of course, we've had this discussion before and according to you I lost, but I digress.

Who's to say there is an edge to the universe? Why would time differ there?

Actually, that's the first post TF has made in one of these threads that makes sense and is on topic!

Time is change, really. That's all it is. Without change, there is no time. As TF mentioned, things traveling at different speeds experience time (change) at a different rate.

Sure! It's on the current topic of time, and it does explain a portion of how it really works. The day I had my mind blow up I also watched a video about the same thing you described: We spin, we spin around the sun, sun spins around galaxy (maybe also a star cluster in galaxy), galaxy spins around galaxy cluster, galaxy cluster spins around cluster of galaxy clusters, etc Works that way from the biggest bodies to the smallest electron with increasing complexity from the smallest to the largest.

SCIENCE!

If you get too technical it becomes meaningless

The Earth is in the orbit of the Sun. If you look at the Earth/Moon relationship you can notice that as the mass of the moon orbits the Earth they pull on each other. The oceans are pulled towards the moon, and the moon has been locked into the same position by the force of gravity acting on it from the Earth, which stopped it from spinning billions of years ago.
This same "pulling" effect happens with the other large bodies, and the Earth and Sun pull on each other as well, but to a different degree than that of the Earth and Moon.

There's a really good TV series called "The Universe" which talks about a lot of the theories behind this stuff.

I use that as my text message alert tone.

I'm of the opposite mind. I find it meaningless if you don't get technical. Too many times has a subject been explained to me in a way that was not only inaccurate, but sometimes absurdly incorrect because they couldn't think of a better way to explain it in class.

It has NO meaning if its wrong. And most simplifications ARE that. Wrong.

Except it isn't locked. Its moving away a few cm every year.

Of course.

That is far too simple of a statement. Non-technical is not synonymous with wrong.

By "locked" I meant in the non-technical, simple or "casual" sense that the moon no longer spins at a rate that is noticeable or of major significance. It faces the same general direction for thousands of years whereas billions of years ago we assume it did not.

Technical is good if you're writing a paper, overkill if you're trying to convey an idea about a broader subject unrelated to the technicalities. I was conveying the idea that the Earth's gravity pulls on the Moon, very little wrong about it, though there are more technical details to it.

So time doesn't exist for blind people who can't check their position?

Derezo, I don't believe that people are so much taking exception to your ideas so much as they are taking exception to how you are presenting your ideas. Most conspiracy theorists don't propose crazy ideas because they really believe them, but because of the attention they receive by proposing them. Your language and attitude suggests that you believe you are a genius or visionary for your work when most of the ideas and conclusions you have brought forth have no substance. On the few occasions where you are presenting something agreeable it has generally been common knowledge or a tidy fact that really has no weight in your larger argument.

Also, lets not jump to assumptions from a single talk with your doctor. If I walked into my doctors office and complained that all HMOs are scams and they are ripping people off they WILL agree with me. They know the biz and understand my frustration, BUT that doesn't mean that he also agrees that the Gregorian calendar is a trap to enslave humanity in a marketing scam. Ya know? What exactly did this doctor presumably agree to in this talk?

Don't turn the world into something more complicated than it already is. The world is full of "little" evils. Not some large scale conspiracy that has a master plan. Its all one guy making one wrong choice times 13 billion. There is no matrix and there is no illuminati. Just a bunch of dumb asses making mistakes every day. These wrong doing "marketing" people you speak of are just regular folks like you and I trying to cut their chunk out of the pie. Sure their methods may be disagreeable to you but answer me this. With your vision of the way the world should be, how far would you go to make it right?

Again, you could be on the path of finding YOUR own enlightenment but the way you are going about it seems more like a play for attention than anything else. I think something happened in your life that has caused you to try and find fantasy in the world. Maybe quitting pot made the world seem lifeless and um-impressive, making you need to create some adventure to spice it up. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but having read the majority of your recent posts you just aren't making any sense anymore.

I am a long time lurker on these boards (since 05!) and you were always one of the more humorous and entertaining personalities... get it together man! Life can suck, but you will find a hell of a lot to appreciate along the way. Real stuff.

Sorry for the rant, I just can't help wondering what happened to you.

Why would you need to check your position for you to be in a position?

There is no way I would expect anyone here to view the substance of it. What I have posted reference to does not get any feedback whatsoever -- possibly because nobody is viewing much of it. You'll notice that the videos I posted in the first link, and the music compilation later on, all received very few (total: one) posts containing feedback. The same thing happened in the last thread like this. To prove to those who don't know what I'm talking about would need a lot of reading/watching of controversial topics. There's a lot of leg work involved, so to speak. When you get into a lot of the controversial topics there is a sort of trend between them all, and the ways they are criticized. I do believe I have come across something that is in plain view but many seem unaware of, but I am not the only one who has come across this stuff. It's in a lot of music -- and surprise! A lot of musicians are drug users. None of this is new stuff, and in a lot of this I feel like I am stating the obvious from my own perspective. Providing substance to see it is rather difficult, because it's not like the evidence for what I'm suggesting can be presented in a single paragraph. Some of the topics, like NLP or evolution, are very vast and are something you really would need to take a course on to understand completely, though even a simple description here hasn't been provided (or asked for ). Posting on a forum like this results in a lot of people getting defensive in respect to their own beliefs. Really, I'm just looking for someone who gets this outside of the real world, because the people whom I know that get this stuff in the real world are busy with other things, and it'd be nice to find a programmer who thinks like this. That is why I ramble on. There are forums out there dedicated to this stuff, but I don't relate with the way they act and they're mostly concerned with chasing conspiracy theories, which I don't agree with. The best one I've found so far is the world freeman society, which is a bunch of people who get this stuff. As you said, it is much like 13 billion mistakes being made, but there is an underlying cause ("memes") of the types of mistakes we're seeing (in terms of "cheaters").

Don't mix the multiple discussions going on to try and prove something unrelated to either wrong. What you said is obvious, but nobody said anything of the sort. Marketing has nothing to do with the calendar in the sense you're speaking of, and I didn't mix them in that way. It's the underlying principles of modern marketing which show abuse of neuro-linguistic programming. This area of study shows us that things in our environment greatly influence how we perceive reality. If you watch Glenn Beck and believe him, that the sky is falling and Obama is hitler, then your perception of reality will be such that you should fear the coming times and buy gold, or you might just get very depressed about life altogether. What I'm suggesting is that similar principles can be applied to the use of a calendar in the way you perceive time, that is where the Gregorian calendar comes in. Then there is also proof that it's been adulterated, modified, and changed to a point where the names used are meaningless, arbitrary, or misrepresented, the patterns are mildly confusing when they don't need to be (many people need rhymes just to remember how many days months have), and this is how you tell the time. Seems like we could do a lot better to me.

I'm not. I'm just paying more attention to things that people don't normally bother paying attention to. It's not like I've always thought like this.

That's another topic altogether. How the world should be is unclear to me, I just know there are certain things wrong with the way that it is.
I've been learning guitar, and am considering developing documentary-style videos which mix the religions and sciences, but I'm not yet learned enough in those areas to create a product. I do hope I will be, and then I'll need to decide which audience to go after. I may try to enlighten the unenlightened (difficulty++) or just spread awareness of existing stuff.
However, I've been becoming interested in synchronicity lately, and am convinced for myself that it is real. That's what I'm currently reading about. We'll see where that goes. Maybe I'll set up a series of coincidences that lead to world domination.

These things are true, especially of this thread. I would say that I am looking for attention to this idea in this thread, and that is why I created it. What's wrong with that? Is it possible not to be looking for attention when posting videos on the Internet? That is rather obvious from the thread title, and I even said I was looking for feedback - "let me know what you think". You say that like it's not normal, or is something you're not suppose to do. I am drawing attention to this idea, though I care not for the attention to "me", if that's what you mean... but I don't have respect for those who are simply saying "you're a pot head" or suggesting that I should seek mental help because they don't agree with me. You'll notice those people don't say anything about why they think that way, and some are just seeking attention for themselves. The wrong kind of attention, too.

Nope. It's been better all around. It did make me less lazy though, and a lot of the crap that's on my mind is this stuff.

Meh, rant away I know what I am, and I do know that I am speaking in a certain way that people tend to find distasteful -- I am writing as though I am always right. However, this is something that is bothering me a lot. I am looking for proof of the opposite. If it is so crazy, and so wrong, it should be easy to say "Look, over here. You're wrong because ... "

Instead, it's up for debate... and of course, nobody wants to view/read the evidence and remark on it. Possibly because nobody wants this to be true. It adds another difficulty to life, and doesn't make things any easier. People like things that make life easier, not the other way around. If you were to realize it were true, you may want to adopt a new calendar as well. That's something new to learn, and learning is work.

Sorry, I was using the pronoun their ambiguously. It should have been read as: So time doesn't exist for blind people who can't check the positions of the earth, sun, moon and stars?

I 2nd that! His post was really putting things right.