Sometime the human specie is somewhat bugged.

And it can't be helped. Another fucker did it.

That time he took a truck to run over people.

I and all who I know are safe, I feel lucky. We have a work base there, and it's some thousands people.

An English link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/truck-crashes-into-crowd-at-bastille-day-celebrations-in-nice2/

I feel empty. I can't imagine how it can be stopped.

I agree completely with beoran. We shouldn't have to wrap ourselves in steel and padding and fences, but these extremeists are beyond help, and what's most scary is they think they have a deity on their side. Scary, scary times.

What pisses me off the most is that everyone keeps reacting to these horrible events and then forgetting them and moving on.

If NOTHING CHANGES then they're going to keep happening over and over.

Build a wall. Build a peace float. Build a Stargate. I don't care. But for the love of God, CHANGE SOMETHING instead of pretending all of these terrorist attacks are completely unrelated "lone wolf" attacks--as if that implies there's no way to anticipate or prevent them. As if a look through last years headlines wouldn't hint at this years headlines.

Somewhere out there, there is an expert, with an expert opinion and solution to this mess, and nobody is listening to him or her. Give that person a microphone. Because at this rate, our governments are either completely stupid, or intentionally letting these attacks continue. There is no excuse for it to happen year after year to states with active, healthy governments, with healthy police, military, and intelligence forces.

When 9/11 hit, we changed so much we bombed countries that didn't even have anything to do with 9/11. Now, people get attacked and they just talk about "peace" like it's going to come out of no where. Somewhere in the MIDDLE of those two ideas is a balanced, rational plan for mitigating these attacks.

It's like how blind the USA is to school shootings. After Columbine (way back in 1999), the secret service published an investigation and guide to preventing future school shootings. They included NOT plastering the kid's photo on TV, NOT running 24/7 coverage, NOT running them nationwide (make it a local story only) and not making the kid look like an anti-hero. Why? Because they KNEW statistically that after every shooting, because of the media coverage, there would be a copy-cat killing the next week. It happens over and over every year and nobody cares. Apparently, people value shock and advertising dollars over the lives of children. The system never changes, so extra kids end up dead every year.

It's the exact same thing with terrorism. The solution is already out there, probably buried in a barely read government report. But nobody cares apparently.

All men are capable of horrors. Ordinary men, strong men, smart men, idealistic men, family men, pious men, old men, young men... They have all been perpetrators of atrocities, by some mechanism, in the past.

You can't say someone committing a horrible act in the name of some idea is abnormal--it's not, it's the norm. We have been committing horrors in the name of the state or faith or such things since we could organize together around ideas.

Saying only zealots, or the mentally ill, or the dispossessed, or whatever negative attribute you want, are capable of horrors denies the reality that all men are capable of given the right catalyst.

So your argument is that all men (I'll assume we're talking about human beings in general, not specifically males, or at least for the sake of argument we don't care about gender) are equally likely to commit heinous acts? One day a guy is living on cloud 9 and the next it's just, "FUCK THIS, FUCK YOU, DIEEEEEEEE"? And that guy is completely sane. I mean, he drives over the first 5, CLUNK, CLUNK, CLUNK, and he doesn't stop in immediate remorse for his actions. He doesn't panic at he sound and drop the clutch and stall it. He hammers on it and keeps going. He's "ordinary". I mean, most of us don't do that. But it's ordinary. I don't know. I find that hard to swallow.

I disagree. That's not ordinary. I can justify that as one of two scenarios, and maybe I'm missing others. Either you're crazy and you can't comprehend the consequences of your actions or you're desperate and don't care. Arguably neither person is completely sane at the moment, though the latter might well be normally sane and may be reacting irrationally in the moment. I won't rule out the possibility that it's just an asshole, but I think that to end your life over something so meaningless your CPU has to be skipping instructions.

I'm not denying that all people are capable of horrible, horrible things. They usually commit them when they're in a position of unchallenged power. It's much more rare for people to commit them when they're guaranteed to end up powerless to defend themselves. Unless again they're crazy and can't process that idea. Or desperate and just don't care.

I don't know. Is it just the mental space that I'm right now? What are you guys thinking this person was trying to do? I don't see any goal in it other than saying "fuck you" to the world on his way out of it.

It's not really important if crazy is ordinary. Crazy is crazy. Most of us would argue that religious people are delusional. There's literally billions -- the majority of the population. They're not as crazy as say a schizophrenic, but they're still crazy. Many of them in the West, for example, think that talking to themselves, inside or out loud, is them having a conversation with a magical man in the sky. That's crazy if I've ever heard it.

You said abnormal. I said crazy.

I would very much be in favor of telling your religious friends that their beliefs are unreasonable and unhealthy. The more of us do that the less crazy fuckers we'll develop.

It's ordinary too for people to be selfish animals, but it's also ordinary for us to go beyond that when giving the opportunity. Most of us are far from perfect, but we still wouldn't massacre random strangers trivially. We're all capable of it, but it would take serious provocation or a long period of depression to trigger it.

Again, all of these things can be helped without enforcement. Helping one another and caring for one another. Which I'd argue also means caring enough to tell people when they're being crazy. Crazy thoughts can lead to crazy justifications for terrible things.

bamccaig, you are no less delusional than the religious you decry. You're just foolish to think you are somehow superior because you're an atheist, when you go on to hold incredibly delusional beliefs elsewhere.

If you arrive to the right conclusion with the wrong methods, you're still wrong.

'Nice attacker drank alcohol, ate pork, took drugs and never went to mosque'

You don't hire a hitman to kill himself. That doesn't make any sense. The whole point of a hitman is invisibility. They do the hit and they leave with insufficient evidence to track it back to them. If you can track it back to them and punish them, with prison or death, then it isn't an equitable trade. I'm not saying he wasn't put up to it by others. I don't know. It just wouldn't make any fucking sense if they paid him because obviously he can't spend it.

If you're a Liberal you're a fucking idiot. If you're a Conservative you're a fucking idiot. If you're any other political party affiliation you're an idiot. I am a general supporter of Elizabeth May of the Green Party of Canada, and by extension the work that they do. In fact, I think technically I'm a member of the GPC. But I don't define myself that. I hold myself free to disagree with their ideas, and since they're strongly influenced by Feminism I do disagree with several of their ideas.

It makes me sick when I hear Americans throw around "left" and "right" as if everybody on either side is good or bad. It's an equal mixture of intelligence and fucking idiots. None of it matters because the actual power is controlled from above the oval office. That's why nothing really changed when Obama took office. It doesn't really matter.

It's a magic act. They steer your attention to the prop so that you don't notice the slide of hand. In terms of politics I don't think there's a good way to vote in the USA. You need to reform your political system. You need to just face that the entire system doesn't work for the people by design and needs to be rethought in a democratic way with heavy influence from unbiased academics.

You can kill them by the millions. Every terrorist you kill spawns 5 more. Killing isn't the way to stop terrorism. Killing is how it got lit and how it is fueled. Killing is itself terrorism. Supporting the idea that we can solve the problem with killing will fuel more terrorism.

Arguably the US forces are essentially terrorists in this day and age. Footage of them operating in combat in the Middle East is disgusting. It's hard to call it anything other than terrorism. So it's not about killing the terrorists. It's about being the better terrorists. Which is sickening.

The solution is again reaching out to your neighbor and inviting them in. Showing them that there's no need for violence. We can all just live happily. It also means shunning stupid ideas, whether they're foreign or domestic. Stupid ideas are stupid no matter who thought of them.

I said that's not ordinary. And it isn't.

Chris, there is always something that could have been done. But there is one thing with things that could have been done: they didn't. That's why in every situation, be it good or evil, there is always something that could have been done.

While I agree with you that something have to be done, I don't think of killing as the best option. But you know, things that have to be done tends to stay as garbage until it's started, and done.

Am I clear enough ?

I wish I could share your belief in the expert who just needs a microphone...

Don't worry. Trump is going to save us from ISIS. And he's gonna do it fast. Straight from the horses mouth.