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gnolam
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Jeff Bernard
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December 2005
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YOU CAN'T SERVE PRE-RENDERED GAMES TO CUSTOMERS

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Raidho36
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October 2012
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Challenge accepted!

And already claimed, actually. Remember games which entire gameplay was QTE based, like on Sega CD?

m c
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December 2004
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Raidho36 said:

And already claimed, actually. Remember games which entire gameplay was QTE based, like on Sega CD?

Aren't 2d sprite games basically pre-rendered?
Age of Empires?
Oddworld?
I remember an old DOS spaceship movie game. Like the game was pre-rendered movie sections but ou had to click stuff with the mouse and it'd either show a section where it crashes or where it makes ti through to the next part of the base. It was an interactive multi-media experience.

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LennyLen
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December 2004
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video

Raidho36
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October 2012
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Just sprite graphics and pre-rendered graphics are different. See Lenny's post video. That's also one of those games, actually the one where QTE and cutscenes crap is originated. Technically, that hardly can even be called a game, because all you do is watch cutscenes while pressing a button when prompted with right pattern that you have to memorize. Even simple Simon game makes a better game for that matter, because it randomized the pattern every time. Those kind of games are like memorizing cheat code, only that your cheat code input is your whole game.

furinkan
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October 2008
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Maybe it's not such a problem where you're from, but I've heard of cases of people dying from playing too many games. Maybe they're planning on having the Xbox 3 1 turn off if you're about to die?

That's good! Then they'll die, but the XBOX will be off and absolved of any connections to the death... >:(

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Semi-official. £35 ($50 ish) to unlock a trade-in game. If sony follow I'm back playing tablet or PC games.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-this-is-how-xbox-one-game-trade-ins-will-work-apparently

though at this price I dread to think what a new game will cost. Obviously it will be worth it with all the extra CGI they'll be adding to pad the game out :P

[edit]and it gets worse
http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-kinect-2s-visual-drm-functions-found-in-patent-file-report/

seems they want to restrict who and how many can actually play a game....

... and I've just been reading about the TV integration, it'll use a IR blaster to redirect signals from a set top box. Except of course in the UK (and possibly Europe and the rest of the world apart from America) we don't use set top boxes - we have digital tuners built into the TV.

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Raidho36
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October 2012
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Holy shit, that would be quite expensive.

I don't really follow logic behind trade-ins of digitally distributed content. It's not like they would need your key back to sell it again, they just generate it. Virtually, you simply have your games for $50 (assuming you will only buy newer games you haven't played yet), but every additional game to your library will cost you a fortune. What's up with that? Couldn't they just sell their games for $50? I don't get it. Seems like one of their manager wanted to piss people off for no apparent reason, and managed to get this selling plan through.

Vanneto
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May 2007

Its the same bullshit as always online DRM. They're just pushing it to see how far they can take it. Just to see how deep up peoples asses they can push their capitalistic monster dick. Its pretty deep now.

People still don't care. :P

In capitalist America bank robs you.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Yes, suddenly the $1000 steam pc sounds like a good buy :P

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Vanneto
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May 2007

As long as its shaped as a companion cube.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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That's the way it's always been, the price of something isn't what "should be" a "fair profit", but what are people willing to pay for it. If you don't like it, come out with a slightly cheaper, but still exorbitantly profitable version of your own. The resulting price war will even it out. It's called capitalism. OTOH, everybody seems to go to the government for protection from both competition and protection from "gouging" so it comes down to who makes the biggest campaign contributions.

Anyway, it's not like you need an Xbox One for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This is what's known as an "elastic demand".

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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They aren't treating it like a trade in. More like a license, and the disk you have is just medium to transfer the installer. And you need a new key for every unique install, much like pc software these days. Anyone wanting to install off that media will need a separate unique license.

I really hope it blows up in their faces.

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Maybe the smallprint for the licence for the new xbox one will say you are just licencing the machine and microsoft really own it....

The problem with digital distribution is once support is removed you've near enough lost your ability to play it as there is no physical medium. Referring to this, I laughed when I read the MS exec saying 'yes, I have no doubt you will be able to play the same game in 25 years time'

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Specter Phoenix
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July 2001
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PS4, Xbox One, WiiU, matters not, have absolutely no interest in any of them. Even starting to lose interest in Ouya.

Raidho36
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Because anything goes to shit when profits become The #1 Major Priority.

Sirocco
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April 2000
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Even starting to lose interest in Ouya.

Ouya was a dumb idea to begin with. The reality is that no one actually wants to play shitty cell phone games on their huge-ass TV. It seems like a winning combination, until you realize that it's fucking retarded to plop down in front of the TV to play games that were meant to be experienced 3-5 minutes at a time :(

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Schyfis
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Sirocco said:

Ouya was a dumb idea to begin with. The reality is that no one actually wants to play cell phone games on their huge- TV. It seems like a winning combination, until you realize that it's ing retarded to plop down in front of the TV to play games that were meant to be experienced 3-5 minutes at a time

Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

If you're on this forum as a game developer, you should know that awesome things can be done with even the more limited platforms.
Obviously, if it's in your living room connected to your TV, there aren't going to be games "meant to be experienced 3-5 minutes at a time" on the console. You're going to see games meant to be played in a living room, on a TV, with a controller. More typical games, like RPGs, side-scrollers, etc.

Saying Ouya or even Android can only do 3-5 minute game experiences is like saying "Windows can only do spreadsheets," or "Allegro can only do older-looking games".

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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The major problem with Ouya is its hardware is too old now. Too slow. My year old phone is faster, significantly. The new phones just coming out are much faster.

If you are interested in the idea, you might just want to wait till an updated version comes out with newer hardware.

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Schyfis
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The major problem with Ouya is its hardware is too old now. Too slow. My year old phone is faster, significantly. The new phones just coming out are much faster.

Agreed it's dated already, but it's possible to mod the Ouya and add newer hardware, too. Not to mention that its current hardware isn't terrible, plus controller/HDMI support.
Either way I'm looking forward to seeing what I can do on it! It's powerful enough to run the game I'm currently developing, so I'll definitely be checking it out.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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Schyfis said:

but it's possible to mod the Ouya and add newer hardware, too.

you'd have to replace the entire board. The slow parts are the cpu and gpu.

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Schyfis
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you'd have to replace the entire board. The slow parts are the cpu and gpu.

Still cheaper than buying a $400+ phone.

But the point I was trying to make earlier was that the type of games on the console has nothing to do with it running Android, or having hardware similar to smartphones. It's more than enough to run games of the caliber of VVVVVV, Super Meat Boy, etc.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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For now maybe. Games on phones and tablets will continue to require beefier and beefier hardware. And the Ouya hardware is already 2+ generations old.

I've read it struggles with some things already.

append: also my fancy phone cost $250. :D gotta love google.

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