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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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I wish I had kept the coins I bought back in those days as well. :-[

Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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You have to balance the cost of mining them against the value you get back out. It was already not really worth it a year or two ago to mine bitcoins.

It depends. If you're not a very good trader, it's quite profitable to mine now at a loss (that is, you'd lose, or not win much if you'd sell them asap) and wait for the price to rise and sell them then. Those bitcoins mined a year ago are worth a ton today.

Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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You guys might want to consider getting in before it goes past $200 next week.

:-/
just sayin'

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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I'm sorry. The luck I've had with these things tells me I shouldn't do these things. It's also not worth the headaches and crazy it causes.

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type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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The difference for my is working CPU vs Idle CPU.. Which is I'd estimate some 0.5USD a day in electricity, I've never turned of my PC anyways. More than that, it just mines in background with low priority and doesn't prevent me from doing anything with the PC, including gaming.

The income is negligible, I mine some 0.3 LTC a day, which is 1.2USD at todays prices. That's if the Litecoin is worth 4.1USD, as it does today. It did 3.4 yesterday morning. I ain't selling it for anything below $100 of course. Should it never reach that- oh well..

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Mark, you also said to buy at $30 a couple years ago. Look how well that went for two years.

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Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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This bubble seems to be even bigger than the last one :o. $175 to $225 in just 24h...

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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It touched 240.

BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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BAF said:

I wish I had kept the coins I bought back in those days as well. :-[

:'(

Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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l o l @ bitcoins.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I believe in gold (or equivalent values in other valuable commodities). All else is just a promise, and you all know how easily promises are broken. Oh, yeah, it also requires faith on the part of the people holding the scrip.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Actually not exactly.. You don't have to trust in bitcoins to use them. You can keep an account on one of these exchanges, and in order to make a payment just convert on the fly. And in certain cases it ALREADY IS easier to pay for a service with bitcoins. Especially if you want to do it gray.

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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type568 said:

You don't have to trust in bitcoins to use them.

Suppose they go down to $10 tomorrow? Or if somebody finds a way to "counterfeit" them? Or even if the latest trojan takes over enough computers to cause inflation? You must be talking about the very short term.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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If these things are so great and bitcoins are here to stay, why doesn't the company keep them for themselves and mine all the bitcoins at a massive profit?

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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mine all the bitcoins at a massive profit

As I understand it, there are only a limited number of bitcoins available in this algorithm, and now the remaining bitcoins are so hard to mine, that the electric bill powering the computer(s) exceeds the value of the bitcoins.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Either the "mining rig" is worth $2,499.00 or it's not. If it is, then why doesn't the company keep it? If it's not, why would anybody buy it?

This isn't like regular goods where after buying it, you'd need to use skill, or have access to some resource. You just plug it in and it gives you coins. It's like a golden egg laying machine. If you've got one, why would you sell it?

Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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The process of finding blocks is now so popular and the difficulty of finding a block so high that it could take over three years to generate any coins.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Yeah, but he's mining at 40Mhash/s, while that machine is 50Ghash/s, an increase of 1,250x. If they kept all the equipment themselves, then they could run their own pools and dominate the bitcoin mining corner.

But really what they are doing is selling performance enhancing drugs to cyclist. The first few people that buy in will do better relative to the regular folks, but soon everybody will have one, which will equalize the playing field and everybody will be back generating the same number of bitcoins relative to each other.

Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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There are a couple of things that make me a bit uneasy about bitcoin.

One thing is that people with the most mining power have power over the currency. ie. wealthy people who can afford powerful mining computers are the ones who get the most say in how bitcoin operates.

Another thing is that bitcoin is a deflationary currency. As the bitcoin economy grows, the purchasing power of each bitcoin increases. The people holding the most bitcoins are the ones who gain the most wealth when the bitcoin economy grows. ie. the rich get richer without even having to do anything.

I think wealthy people have enough advantages already with normal currencies without giving them these additional powers.

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All that stuff aside, is there any easy way to tell how many bitcoins I have without having to download gigabytes of new blockchain data? It seems like a bit of a drag.

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Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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Either the "mining rig" is worth $2,499.00 or it's not. If it is, then why doesn't the company keep it? If it's not, why would anybody buy it?

Why not both? They take space and consume electricity, so they can only run a limited amount of them. Sell the rest.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Why not both?

If you mean run them until it's not profitable, and then sell them... Then of course, that's best of both worlds.

The only reason the product exists is because the people making it feel that they are scamming the buyers by selling them a printing press that won't be able to print out as much money as was spent on it.

Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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The only reason the product exists is because the people making it feel that they are scamming the buyers by selling them a printing press that won't be able to print out as much money as was spent on it.

Roughly speaking, I think you're right - but I think there's a bit more too it than that.

The makers of these mining machines can probably estimate how many bitcoins the machines are capable of mining, and thus calculate whether it is worth selling them or worth using them to get the bitcoins themselves. If they sell the machines, they can get money right away. But if they use them to mine instead, they expose themselves to certain risks. eg. there could be a crash in the value of bitcoin; or an unrelated company might sell a heap of powerful mining machines which end up driving up the mining 'difficulty' and thus reducing the expected output of each mining machine.

Presumably the makers of these mining machines wouldn't sell them if they thought it would be more profitable to just use them instead - but there is a lot of uncertainty in the expected value of using the machines, and not a lot of uncertainty in the value of just selling them.

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Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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No at the same time. If you produce let's say 10,000 but you're only capable of running like 1,000 (space and electricity limits), sell the rest. Why holding them doing nothing? there's no benefit doing that.

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Why holding them doing nothing?

Because if you sell, then you decrease your ability to mine since everybody is chasing the same limited pot.

Presumably the makers of these mining machines wouldn't sell them if they thought it would be more profitable to just use them instead - but there is a lot of uncertainty in the expected value of using the machines, and not a lot of uncertainty in the value of just selling them.

I agree, but it's more fun to just think of it as a company building mining equipment is betting that their product won't pay off.



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