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1 Bitcoin @ $100
Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Not an April Fools joke

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(This is a screenshot from Bitcoinity.org with real-time trading stats. The guy who runs it is funny, he pops in animated gifs and changes the background for the lols.)

As I write this, coins are trading for $99.89 and there's a lot of trading volume moving the price around, but the mark has been broken.

ok, now 100.58...

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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I care a lot!

(Joking)

furinkan
Member #10,271
October 2008
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What would a random individual do with a bitcoin? If I can't pay my bar tab with it...

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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I want to invest in some Bitcoins. :-/ The more it climbs before I invest the worse it gets for me though! :'( The thing is that I really don't trust the "exchanges". I got a shady E-mail from Mt.Gox about my account. G-mail flagged it as spam, but AFAICT it was legit. Even though I haven't accessed my account at all, and they were informing me that I had been accessing it in suspicious ways. So yeah, they're supposed to be the most stable, secure exchange or whatever, and I have this going on?

With Bitcoins being so expensive you're not risking twenty dollars. You're risking a hundred. And if you actually want several Bitcoins then you're actually risking several hundred. It's not exactly a small chunk of change anymore. It's hard to say what the risks of investing now are, even after you get past the exchanges. I sure do wish I would have invested back when they were only $20 though. :P It would be interesting to learn of the biggest payouts from Bitcoins (i.e., who had good fortune and got one in return).

Jonatan Hedborg
Member #4,886
July 2004
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I generated about 5 or 6 BTC a long time ago, now seems like a good time to cash them out... Just have to find the wallet file on an old HD :-X

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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148..

beoran
Member #12,636
March 2011

Remember Warren Buffet's "Mr Market". Normally we all know that it's good to buy something when it's cheap and bad when it's expensive. The fact that Bitcoin is so high means that it's low a risky time to buy it. Buying something because it ha a high current value for a low price is investment. Buying something for it's possible future value is speculation, i.e. gambling.

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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It's matter of definition of current value. And no, I would not buy bitcoins now. Though damn sad I did not when the topic first got raised on A.cc.

Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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they were overvalued then. Let alone now. Though I keep wishing I held onto my 56 bitcoins longer. Sold at 17. :(

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type568
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March 2007
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That depends if people really start using them for payments, not just store of value. If so, the currency will live.

The only death I can imagine for it, is this(because I don't think a bubble pop will kill it, those who use it for transactions won't give a damn on the pop(well will, but..)), so to it's death scenario:

The injection of bitcoins becomes lesser and lesser, and there is not enough commissions to collect to keep appropriate mining rate. Then the system can be taken over by someone with bad intentions, which may kill it. And yes I know it has already survived that, but the day it becomes more or less easy the system will die.

Append:
Thomas, where did you get them from, in the first place? Mined?

Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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There's supposedly malware on Skype which will mine bitcoins for the miscreant. And if it took off, governments would try to quash it since they'd have a hard time controlling it (taxing it, preventing transasctions they don't like such as drug payments, putting out huge amounts of their own to buy votes with, etc.)

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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The US govt has recently decreed that Bitcoin services qualify as money transfer services, so they are no officially regulated, and have to track payments to protect against laundering.

type568 said:

Thomas, where did you get them from, in the first place? Mined?

Nah, I bought them for between 4 and 30 cad per. My break even point after making a really stupid trade over a year ago was $16. So I got my money back. Which I'm happy about. Before the stupid trade (where I lost nearly half my "value" at the time), my break even point was somewhere around $8-10 ish.

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KnightWhoSaysNi
Member #7,339
June 2006
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I never really paid any attention to bitcoins because I thought there would be hundreds of other copycat bitcoin currencies making all digital currencies worthless before they even got above a few dollars. Why hasn't it happened and will it happen?

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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It may or may not happen, the point of this one is that it has no center, so no one actually has control over it, which is why it has its trust.

Whether or not will it happen is about if it is going to be widely used for payments, or not. It will not survive as a value storage.

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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The reason there hasn't been "competing" digital currencies is because there's no point. Bitcoin is open. Nobody stands to gain by introducing a viable competitor.

It's like a good open source project. With closed source software there are 30 identical wheels to choose from, all of them equally square. There's nothing to gain from creating an equal competitor (i.e., exact same features, no actually enhancements) to open source software. You can already do everything you could want with the original one (namely, use it, modify it, distribute it, and distribute modified copies).

One thing that I foresee as being potentially crippling is monopoly men that control the world currencies currently choosing to choke the Bitcoin market by buying them all up and hording them. The system promises stability because the number of Bitcoins is limited. If they are all taken away then the system becomes useless. You either need to create more, which could make it unstable through inflation, or the system just becomes useless since none of the currency is in circulation anymore.

In theory, if everybody then agreed that Bitcoins are and always will be worthless then we could prevent any harm, create a whole new system again, and take comfort in the fact that the monopoly men just threw away that "money". Except you can't control what people place value on so I'm sure that if they started circulating Bitcoins again people would adopt them, and they control the world's existing currencies so you can't actually cost them any money, and therefore it wouldn't really do them any harm... So yeah, I'm not sure what we can do to prevent that...

SiegeLord
Member #7,827
October 2006
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bamccaig said:

Nobody stands to gain by introducing a viable competitor.

Except the early adopters of the new currency, just like with Bitcoin. You can't profit from a pyramid scheme if there's no way to get back to the top. That's the reason, as far as I can tell, that LiteCoin was created.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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there's been a bunch of other wannabes. especially a year or two ago. They all pretty much failed right away. They got boosted super high, and the value against bitcoin eventually made it unprofitable, and people bailed.

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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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You guys might want to consider getting in before it goes past $200 next week.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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You guys might want to consider getting in before it goes past $200 next week.

Last time I did something like that the price was $30, and it dropped to $4 not long after.

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Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Yea. Play at your own risk, really.

Last time I did something like that the price was $30, and it dropped to $4 not long after.

Me too. I still have those coins, though.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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I'm working on Bytecoin. It's like bitcoin, but they are worth 8 times more.

Neil Roy
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April 2002
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I'm working on Bytecoin. It's like bitcoin, but they are worth 8 times more.

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Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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I bought a good amount when they where 5$ and mined another good amount when it was quite profitable to mine with a single FPU. Yay!

I was expecting for the price to catch up again after the flop (so I'm happy I didn't sell due to the panic, although I did a bad operation back in the day losing about 8 BC, which by that time wasn't that much, but now...), but I didn't expect to go this high ;D

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Someone has mention Litecoins here. I mine them now -_-
And well.. 2nd opportunity for those late for bitcoins, and well.. They have the advantage that it's not as efficient to construct a specialized rig for them, so its mining is going to stay a lot more distributed than bitcoins is.

I even wanted to buy some litecoins, but couldn't find any appropriate way to.. :{

I mine about 0.7USD/day at the moment, though I literally don't feel a slowdown on the computer. I played Starcraft 2 with it running in background.

And well, should it grow, and I guess it will do.. Then the mined stuff may even worth a new CPU for an upgrade in few years :P

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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You have to balance the cost of mining them against the value you get back out. It was already not really worth it a year or two ago to mine bitcoins. At least not without specialized hardware using an FPGA or ASIC.

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