Israel. Well, we're getting the conflict escalating again. And so far no one has posted anything regarding the evil zionist regime bombing poor neibhours, nor did anyone say evil Hamas is shelling peace loving Israel once again.

I find the current state of things inappropriate, and am fixing it with creation of the current thread!

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/11/17/anonymous-takes-down-countless-israeli-sites-wipes-databases-leaks-emails-addresses-and-passwords/?utm_source=HackerNews&utm_medium=share%2Bbutton&utm_content=Anonymous%20takes%20down%20over%20550%20Israeli%20sites%2C%20wipes%20databases%2C%20leaks%20emails%20addresses%20and%20passwords&utm_campaign=social%2Bmedia

Do you have any oil in Israel? Is there a reason we should care? Next election isn't until four years.

We watch CNN, History, Discovery, Animal Planet, Bio, and Syfy here. News wise, what I've seen is:

Yet more bombings in middle east.
Yet another guy in power position can't keep it in his pants.
Romney has turned into a child and is boohooing about losing election.
Hostess gone, so Twinkie will be made by another company after Hostess recipe auction.

Nothing worth worrying about. If the US gets involved with the bombing, then we get into another war and no one wants that.

Come to England! Me and my kin will pay a little out of our salary every month for you to get started, with a 2 bed house in a forgotten city; you can get a job, because you don't need as much per hour as us, which is win++ for greedy bloated employers!

It's great here, come on over!

I was just chatting with an Israeli (and a Brit). The Israeli mentioned nothing of a new conflict, though. Albeit, it is now 12:30 am and I think he said it would be closer to 7 am his time. Which doesn't seem to match up with the OP. Of course, I know next to nothing about Israel so that might not be impossible... All I know about "Israel" is <3 Ziva David. The actress is apparently Chilean.

Evil zionist regime and evil Hamas are fighting again. Why can't they put the poor neighbours and the peace loving Israeli in charge instead. One big step might be to ban all male actors from both sides and let the women try for once.

We have our feet in too many countries and I doubt the President will send troops to that fight. UN may, but not the President. Last I knew it was just a few years ago where we finally pulled all our troops out of Vietnam, think we still have some in Somalia, Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Don't know if we have more elsewhere, but I'm sure we won't be rushing into another possible war so soon especially with us coming off the end of the retaliation war for 9/11.

Then who will fight for your freedom?

Don't ask me what freedom. I haven't the slightest clue. Never understood this.

When they name things like "Patriot Act" "Freedom Initiative" etc. you know the spin doctors are working overtime.

Regarding my view of the conflict, and why did I "run away, while it was 7 am at the time of my last post".

I slept from 8 am until 4 pm eventually

I'm not in Israel at the moment, which is slightly sad. Not like I'd help anyhow, but I'd love being there during such times. Even though I condemn Israeli actions(not like I support Palestinians, but both sides look identical to me.)

In general, there's no visible start of the conflict to identify who's at fault. There are many people who DO want to just get over it, from both sides. Yet, there's strong social and political force(in both sides) which strives to "get it fair", and due to the fact there are two "fair" points of view, any attempt to make it "fair" from one side, makes it even more "unfair" from the other.

Generally both sides do not attempt to make peace, they just make it "fair" from their point of view. And making it "more fair" looks to me as simple as drawing more "enemy" blood(and attempting to prevent "your enemy" to draw less blood).

Since I consider myself Israeli, some stuff from that POV: Peace can't be achieved with military action: Israel can(and does) from time to time raid its stateless neighbors, takes down a lot of the military stuff that is used to terrorize Israeli people, Israel leaves rivers of blood and thus lust for revenge(not without own casualties of course). It's done over & over for decades, but I doubt it will ever solve the issue completely, as probably each act of Israeli self defense seeds will for more Palestinian self defense/revenge, and everything just starts over, as Palestinian offense is fueled with Israeli attacks. And the combat equipment which is always targeted by Israel can always be repurchased/recreated or sometimes even acquired from Israel for free. Same about fallen soldiers.

Israel has developed & deployed a wonderful instrument, an "Iron Dome" which actually does take down incoming missiles with a very high chance of success. I hope this thing maybe a game changer. Generally, since all the recent Palestinian offense is represented with missile attacks, if Israel does let itself to only use passive(but sophisticated defense), Palestinian will for Revenge, the will of retaking the "own" land may end up exhausted, as their effort would be seen useless. Furthermore lack of results could also damage Palestinian war funding, which would make the peace a lot closer(although it WOULD make the peace on terms perhaps not as pleasant for the Palestinians).

In simpler words, the target for Israeli offensive should be the purpose of war, and not the meaning of war. Then, MAYBE one day there maybe peace. Generally same could be said about the Palestinians, but they are far behind in tech, human development economy & etc', so they may get there a lot later than Israel does. So Israel should attempt something like that first.

The above action won't be possible before majority understands and supports it, and delivers it's point of view to the Kneset(Israeli parliament). So the next decade won't differ from the previous 60 years too much. Hopefully there will be less blood though.

I think this short talk about "The middle east problem" is a nice explanation of the situation even though it has nothing to do with Operation Pillar of Defense:

There's more interesting things to watch if you want to be saddened by how warped people's perceptions are on the issues and how effective are Hamas' lies, but most people don't seem interested in the issue so I'll only post this one: