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My New (First) Game Development DVD launched |
adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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I started my game development journey here and it has come such a far far way in 6 years. To anyone that this might help, I have created a game development DVD and I'm working on a second one to be put out immediately. Thanks for taking a look. Sorry for not sticking around but I don't user allegro anymore. http://www.ultimategamedevelopment.com/ My other work. Currently working on a very large scale game after these dvd's launch. |
Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Looks cool. How have your ambitions as a game designer changed over the years? -- |
adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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Not sure what you mean, since you mention ambitions I'm assuming: have I changed the type of games or scale of games I want to work. In that case, no. I always started game development to make the best tech, best big scale games that I always liked playing. I still have not released my own game yet, but I definitely have something more solid brewing. I have done plenty of demos in the past though. |
Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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I've seen a bunch of guys here go off to take different paths and their views and opinions on the industry/art change, etc. I was wondering how your views and motivations have changed over time as you've acquired better experience, training, and skills. What's the running time on the video? And, since it's download only, what's the format? I'm interested to see what directions you take and priorities you choose. -- |
adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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Still updating the website a little bit. Offering this in WMV(working on DVD), the WMV will be higher quality 1024x768 vs DVD 720x480. But I want to make sure that the text still shows up good enough since you will have to be able to see the code. Run-time is 8.5 hours. This one is aimed at first time coders, so I cover some things like pointers and vectors that take some of the time to explain but again the goal is only to teach minimal coding and not trying to optimize/organize on DVD1 as it would be a 20 hour DVD to try and teach every C++ in/out, bad design etc. So your looking at 4 hours a piece for each game, which if it were a book would take a while to read as well as having to decipher what the author is saying and physically doing because you cant see them do it. The entire game industry in my opinion is pretty low. I started game dev to do whatever it takes. So I learned everything, art animation coding. And I see that most people dont have any ambition, most people have never created their own game in 3D from scratch, and thats why a lot of people fight my opinions, because they have never done it for themselves. They hang this 3 million lines of code needed for a game, and 50 people team above their heads. In short: More coders = more time for me to code. At work I code/fix bugs at about 1 bug an hour, sometimes more and code slow because I have to look through so many c++ files to figure out execution paths. So if I own 100% of the code, I code about 100x faster (fix a 1 line bug at home I know the exact line # and why my code is broke, vs at work I have to find it and fiddle because I dont know why its broke). A lot of people argue this idea but they just dont get it from my perspective: You shipped Modern Warfare 2, Modern Warfare 3 is coming out. You should be able to make all new art and drop it in the engine and ship Modern Warfare 3. So if it took you 30 programmers to from scratch create MW2, then you shouldn't need 30 to carry on small work in MW3. Essentially from pure money standpoint, EA should be able to say: sorry we are just going to pay for artists to make this game using the existing engine, after all they do technically look about the same. "Well what if they want to have a helicopter spin into a building and it collapses." That to me, should already be an abstracted event class that would allow the artist to create that. Every game probably has been solved before. And given that I can tell you that I am working on one of the biggest solo projects ever in game development. 1 to prove a point that it can be done (and has radioactive software = 1 guy, wolfire = 2 guys, frictional games = 3 guys) but I want the bar a bit higher still, and I'm doing all the art. And 2, without money, you can only get free workers which is basically young modders that are not very skilled, and not going to be as dedicated to my game, so it would hinder my work. |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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http://www.facebook.com/GettysburgArmoredWarfare 1 Man, Publishing Deal with a major publisher, has help from the lead designer of Battlefield. Time in development less than 1 year. I know it sounds dumb, why wouldnt people do what I say, but they are starting to. I'm glad I met that guy at Radioactive cuz we do all of our own coding and he inspires me that I'm on the right path and my ideas are correct. And when hes done/ I'm done with my next game, then making the next one will be easier. You have to fail over and over and over, but I fail at big things, so that each time I learn that much more. And it is because of this that I want to teach people how to make big things so they don't have to fail or pick the brains of hundreds of people through books and tutorials, and just have the information given to them upfront. I'll take the harassment, it has been typical, but I'll never give up the fight and I want people to be able to learn game development and make the most awesome game they can imagine in their head. Not everyone has a million dollars, so I'm teaching how to do it alone. |
Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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DVD 1: PONG and Tanks Wait! So you are charging $20 per DVD for things people could learn for free from gamedev help sites like GameDev.net. If you want to make money then there is XNA and then you can publish them on PC/360. Not seeing the benefit to blowing $60 on 3 DVDs when I can spend nothing and learn to do all that for free.
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adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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[quote]people could learn for free from gamedev help sites like GameDev.net.[/quote] [quote]and learn to do all that for free.[/quote] I always only cared about next-gen stuff year after year as those are the only games I play. I just wish someone would have been like "here step by step what you should learn in what order to make that game you just played." |
Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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You have been doing this 7+ years and think people waste money on books? Every book I have my wife bought me. Every thing I learned I got from torrent books. I don't know many people that actually waste any money on it, everyone I know get movies, books, games, etc through torrent or other free means. Honestly, after you make them, if you do sell any they will end up being distributed on a torrent before long anyways.
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adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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Sorry that you have no faith in humanity and steal everything you own. I don't torrent and I just bought another book actually the other day. Gnomon apparently has success making DVDs, book publishers still print books, EA still makes videogames. |
Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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Humanity? I don't know very many people on this forum who don't torrent everything. Any time I mention wanting something the first replies are always "*cough* torrent cough". They still make those, but I'm willing to bet that someone has ripped and made available on torrent already. Watched the 1/4 you have from your site for free. The 'um' and 'uh' were really distracting because I went from paying attention to the point of the videos to seeing how many times you said them. One tip I get from a lot of video makers is to make a script to follow in order to try and keep yourself from doing that. Your voice is fine, but that does distract from the video. Makes me think of when a teacher had to quit calling on a girl because she couldn't stop saying 'like' every other word due to it distracting from the point of what she was saying. Also, our economy shows humanity wants everything for less. Building projects go to the lowest bidder, cheaper priced food gets sold, cheapest gas is bought.
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adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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Noted. I'm just saying man BF just sold how many million copies? Not everyone torrents and small things like this will not be on the #1 rip and torrent list. |
Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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May not be #1 but I just did a search for Gnomon and found 12 bundles for it (several gigs each). If your DVDs are as useful as I'm seeing someone will rip them. You aren't taking into account all the Open Source fanatics out there they think you should offer everything for free and torrent them to do so. My books I torrented were the $50 books, and I wasted money on a CS book for C++ (first and only time I spent $100+ on it, but that is because tutorials have the problem of being only partially accurate due to dropping important things that should be mentioned or misstating things about the language or libraries). BF? COD4MW sold millions and was torrented within the first week. BF is also already torrented. You are comparing popular company sales to yours though (apples and oranges). The fact remains that even the free NeHe tutorials are torrented. If they are helpful they will be torrented by someone. I realize I seem like I'm being down on it, but I don't mean to be. I hope you have great success with them. I try to be realistic after 14 years of doing C++ and seeing what is torrented.
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adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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Well me personally, I have a salary job. I buy and support anything I like, whether it is games movies whatever. But to not even have the ambition to do something because some people will steal it would just mean I should give up on everything. I can just as easily put out fake torrents to fight those if it comes to that. I talked to a guy that wrote Game Programming for Teens and his book sold 50K copies over 5+ years (not sure when it was published), that's pretty big. |
Karadoc ~~
Member #2,749
September 2002
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It sounds like an alright idea... but I was not at all inspired by the 10 min video pitch on the website. That was as boring as all hell. You say it's about getting the information quicker and better, but that 10 min video meanders from one topic to another, slowly slowly trying to make the point that learning from books is slow. At the start of that video, you seem to be saying that you want to make a DVD rather than a book because it will be less work for you. (less editing, less typing, etc.). What I'm saying is that your 10 min video is in dire need of some planning and editing. (Perhaps this stuff requires more work than you think?) One can only assume that the DVDs will be of similar style and quality to the video on the website; and if that's the case, I'm not sure who would want to buy the DVDs. ----------- |
Specter Phoenix
Member #1,425
July 2001
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I get all my games and movies legally (going November 1st to pre-order and pay for Skyrim). I just don't waste $50+ on books if I don't know if they will help. I have 80 PS3 games and 60 PSN games, about 20 or 30 PC games. Sold my xbox and all my other systems years ago. Plan to get a 360 eventually and plan to get the XNA license one of these days. When it comes to learning it is better to find free ways as you are already spending your time to learn it (Nothing is ever truly free, you Always give up the time you could use for something else) so if the user has a choice of spending $20 on videos or spelunking through tutorials and such online for free, they will usually chose the cheaper path.
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adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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[quote]It sounds like an alright idea... but I was not at all inspired by the 10 min video pitch on the website. That was as boring as all hell.[/quote] Also noted. Good point, that I will actual make a new one thats more fancy and short. Some people would say its kind of early, but this is the reason I did this part first, because PONG and Tanks DVD is not separating me from any other stuff out there, its the stuff that is coming in the near future. So I want to get everything in place. |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Specter Phoenix said: You aren't taking into account all the Open Source fanatics out there they think you should offer everything for free and torrent them to do so.
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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bamccaig said: Free software refers to the freedom, not the price. Blah blah blah. That's such a stupid line. "Hey, I think it's fair if you charge me $20 for your source code as long as I have the freedom to give it away to anybody I want to at no cost." Free software, as the zealots describe it, is about transferring all freedom and rights from the person who produces content to the person who consumes it. If somebody wants to create a book or DVD about programming and try to make a buck, then more power to him. Of course if he wants to be successful, then it better be a professional product at a reasonable price. |
adam450
Member #5,460
January 2005
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(quote)If somebody wants to create a book or DVD about programming and try to make a buck, then more power to him. Of course if he wants to be successful, then it better be a professional product at a reasonable price. |
someone972
Member #7,719
August 2006
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Matthew Leverton said: Free software, as the zealots describe it, is about transferring all freedom and rights from the person who produces content to the person who consumes it. With GPL is kind of the opposite. If you in some way make a "derivative work" of some GPL code, it is now GPL compatible and can be slurped up into the original product at any time. It's really about keeping the code open, to now allow anyone to "subvert" it like you can do with projects licensed under much laxer licenses. Also though there is a little bit of the "anyone can fork it" at any time and you're allowed to distribute it as much as you like. But that only applies to the source itself. Feel free to distribute your binaries on a CD/download and charge for that, all you have to do is provide a link to the source with the license. -- |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: With GPL is kind of the opposite. I don't disagree with what you are saying. It's hard to give a good brief explanation. I'm really only commenting on the ridiculous claim that it has nothing to do with cost. I understand at the surface the movement isn't about money, but in practice it is. You cannot have "free" software without severely limiting the practical ways of making money writing it. Edit: To provide an example. Say Adobe releases Photoshop as free software that costs $500. So you pay for a legal copy, compile your own version, and rebrand it as "Photoshorp" and give it away for free. You then set up a company to provide support at a cheap rate. Adobe is now in a position where they can no longer sell their product because companies can legally obtain it from you for free. Nor can they make money supporting it because obviously you can do it cheaper since you aren't paying the development cost. So the end result is Adobe goes out of business, and there is no more Photoshop. Everybody gets to use The GIMP instead ... which is as good as you get with free software. |
van_houtte
Member #11,605
January 2010
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cool story bro ----- Sometimes you may have to send 3-4 messages |
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