What the Fuck!, I should have never made that "joke".

Damn Trent, you don't think it twice when you have to make a bad reply, I have see with Thomas and now with Edgar... What's your problem, even if you don't want it to do it, you could be more political, and say something like "I'm taking note" or I don't know "We will discuses it in the future". When I also put the problem with fonts you just get mad too, "that is not going to happen" I won't forget that phrase.

If you don't have the time, if you aren't motivated or anything just say it, but not pretend that everybody opinions or suggestions are bad.

It seems like you own this library, and if others want to use it, it's fine, but don't make suggestion because until I need the features for my own projects nothing is going to happen.

I know we could do thing for ourself for that reason this is a free library but damn, take it easy, I bet if someone see ones of the Allegro developers agree with a monolith version, you'll see candidates to make it. But you can't say I don't like that shit, but if you want to do it go ahead this is a free library I don't have the time... That would unmotivate anybody...

Things don't get done because you have a good idea, that's true, but it may with a good answer from the main developers don't you think?.

Why to be so rude with people we're talking almost all days?.

@Trent and other developers:
Thank you very much for creating a great library in your spare time!

By the way, I do think the documentation is quite good, as are the examples. Plus, you can always refer to the sources if something might still be unclear.

While I think that considering reasonable, polite feedback from users is not a bad thing, I do think that the "totally unendurable labour" of linking some more files is no reason to redesign.

SFML is modular too. So I don't think that'll be an option for you.

Also Allegro 4 is NOT a single library. The png, ogg, OpenAL and OpenGL support are all in separate libraries, the same as Allegro 5. And Allegro 4 doesn't even have D3D support.

Hell yes.
I'll go a step further: I prefer upgrading my projects to A5 to continuing to use A4. Not saying I didn't have a great deal of fun with A4 back in the day, and likewise not saying that I'm so at home with A5's API that I don't have the documentation and examples open in the background when I'm writing my game, but when I look at the end result the organisation of the code and the flow of the program is just much cleaner.
I think a large part of that is the event system.

To add on to that, we did discuss on the mailing list what would be required for the OS X implementation and how it could be done. That should be enough for me (or anyone else, really) to get it to work, if and when I/someone gets round to doing it.

Thanks for saying so, I don't personally know that I really agree. I think the documentation is passable but could be a lot better.
Of course, I don't actually have time to do much about it so I don't complain too much.

I could swear there was supposed to be an event to tell when a sample/stream was finished. Looks like no though.

Interesting artlicle I wanted to share

http://thinkinging.com/2008/02/11/monolithic-vs-modular-software-reuse-libraries-part-i/

http://thinkinging.com/2008/06/09/monolithic-vs-modular-software-reuse-libraries-part-ii/

Thing is, does the event get triggered when the buffer needs to be filled (meaning for a long enough file, it can be triggered almost 100 times, if not more) or is it just once?

I don't think he meant it seriously, Edgar.

I took it more as a light-hearted "sacrilege!! " joke.

Really?
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That's just in the last two months. It really takes that much effort to say "we don't have time for this", or "that's not a priority", or "if you want it fixed do it yourself"?

Thomas Harte gave up on Allegro and switched to SDL for pretty much the same reasons I'm considering using something else, and losing him was a bad loss to the Allegro community. Now consider all the people who have left Allegro silently because their issues weren't addressed or even considered, and you have 'plural' amounts of people with the same considerations.

The more accurate statement there is if there's no feature it's because the devs didn't want it themselves, not necessarily because there's no demand for it. Get your head out of the sand.

What does this have to do with you be alone in your request for this thing? Besides, the devs are not tech support. Some questions go unanswered. This is still one of the liveliest forums for a given programming library that I know of, with the exception of Microsoft's stuff. Don't see your point here.

REVISION: All of those people also appear to be singular in their requests, if that's what they are. If 90% of the user base saw value in a feature, it would be in there. Either because a current developer did it, or someone who wanted it enough to man up did it.

If the devs wanted a feature for themselves, I imagine they'd code it ... for themselves. I have a whole ton of classes and code for features and helper functions to extend Allegro or make it more to my liking. I don't submit it for use in the main library. Why would they? Maybe they just feel this is the best design given the options? Did that ever occur to you, especially when some of those reasons seem to have already been given?

Your head is in something too; might want to get it out before it smells ...

I hurt your feelings? You're the one who singled me out as a lazy whiner when I never even brought up a monolith build in the first place. And is it really that untrue that many peoples concerns in the Allegro Development forum go unnoticed?

I didn't even request it here! All it ever was was a suggestion to make things easier anyway. It's amazing how much people will have a hissy fit over something as small and innocent as a suggestion.

Thank you Captain Obvious! That's what I said anyway.

Does it really make sense to completely ignore and alienate your users? If no one uses your library, then all the time you put into writing it was for nothing.

Why not submit it if it really is that useful?

Check again. You were looking in a mirror and confused me for yourself. I didn't even bring this shit up! I never made any demands, all I ever did was defend my opinion, but you have to go and have a hissy sissy fit over it.

@Matthew
I'd hardly consider myself an Allegro developer. I'm a contributor sure, but I don't have write access to the repo and everything I submit has to be accepted first. If it was to do with A5, no I didn't reply to it, because I don't have time to work on my projects, tweak A4, and familiarize myself with the A5 codebase at the same time. My understanding of the A4 system is basic at best so I can't help everyone who needs it, but I usually do if I can.

Who said you did?

Stop pluralizing; it's dishonest. And some users will always go unsatisfied, partly because you can't please everyone, partly because some ideas are either dumb or not worth the effort/tradeoff and partly because some things are higher priority. The nature of software development.

Because it goes against the spirit of the library, or is only useful to me because I designed it for myself.

I honestly don't even have a dog in this fight; the time it's taken me to participate in this discussion is several time how long I will spent typing out the library to link to when I make a new project over the course of my entire life. I said this was hilarious, and I meant it. And yes, you sound demanding, even if you can't say you explicitly demanded it in exactly those words. Honestly, if you want to use the SFML, go nuts. No one will care that you switched to it any more than anyone there would care if someone switched to Allegro.

You don't have to use the word "demand" to be demanding.