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MiquelFire
Member #3,110
January 2003
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If you have 3GB of RAM or less, there's no real point in running 64-bit. 4GB is borderline however. --- |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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MiquelFire said: If you have 3GB of RAM or less, there's no real point in running 64-bit. 4GB is borderline however. Are you talking about how 32 bit can access 3.2Gb, or do you mean it's not enough ram to run it? {"name":"fDk9N.png","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/b\/1\/b1f62e477bbb46aa30ccec9b17de059d.png","w":596,"h":545,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/b\/1\/b1f62e477bbb46aa30ccec9b17de059d"} They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Mr. Ben is waiting on his gigarams to arrive. I, however, run 2GB on 64-bit fulltime. There's more to running a 64-bit OS than being able to access more RAM. |
Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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Matthew, do you also have swap disabled? Which OS? -- |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Matthew Leverton said: There's more to running a 64-bit OS than being able to access more RAM. But I don't see the disassembly of current C compilers making good use of all those additional (and larger) registers. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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MiquelFire said: If you have 3GB of RAM or less, there's no real point in running 64-bit. 4GB is borderline however.
Matthew Leverton said: I, however, run 2GB on 64-bit fulltime. Same here. 64-bit debian, 2 GB RAM. No problems whatsoever, the machine hardly ever touches swap (except when I run two or three virtual machines simultaneously). Maybe it's a windows thing. --- |
Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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MiquelFire said: If you have 3GB of RAM or less, there's no real point in running 64-bit.
Faster 64 bit arithmetic comes to mind. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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On Linux, swap is enabled. It doesn't seem to ever need it. On Windows 7 (64-bit) I never enable swap space. But I don't use it for much, so I don't know if it would ever complain. I used to use Windows XP a lot, and it never had a problem with no swap. |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Evert said: Faster 64 bit arithmetic comes to mind. My chess program is about 50% faster in 64 bit mode than in 32 bit mode, for instance. You're using bitfields for the 64 positions? Actually my bignum calculator is 4x faster for multiplying since it can do 64 bit multiplies in one fell swoop instead of high/low/high/low, but this sort of thing isn't needed often. [EDIT] Matthew Leverton said: On Linux, swap is enabled. It doesn't seem to ever need it. I like to push test programs to the limit to see what happens. Here I "drew" 100000000 lines of text to make sure my scrollbars worked right. {"name":"7Ie3O.png","src":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/4\/7\/4789e79bfb9428c810d8aca23d42a36a.png","w":831,"h":618,"tn":"\/\/djungxnpq2nug.cloudfront.net\/image\/cache\/4\/7\/4789e79bfb9428c810d8aca23d42a36a"} [EDIT2] I just calculated that for a monitor to show all those lines at once would be ~531km high. I have an old TimexSinclair 2000 with 2 kilobytes of ram, when you get to about 50 lines of BASIC typed in, the previous characters start disappearing instead of showing more because it's running out of ram. We've come a long way in 20 years... They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: You're using bitfields for the 64 positions?
Yes. Each bit records a true/false statement about a position on the board. |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Evert said: I'd have to check how much 64 bit mode matters for floating point calculations The gcc compiler (maybe all 64 bit compilers) exclusively use the SSE registers for all floating point calculations, I've used the f87 registers without problems in assembly language (they don't get trashed). They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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Speaking of hardware fetishes, I just bought 6GB of ram for my macbook (to replace the 4GB in there now, what a waste but I'll sell it on ebay) and a 750GB scorpio black hard drive. I'll need the extra RAM at some point, and I need the extra disk space now, with 3 operating systems plus 3 vms (and I'll be adding more)... I have a 320GB scorpio black in the machine now, and it's a great drive, but I've already run out of disk space completely several times.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Yeah, after demonicmaniac told me to look at thinkwiki for unoffical ram specs of my thinkpad, I'm probably going to upgrade to 8G on this laptop. I just have to buy two $80 4G DDR2 SO-DIMM modules. -- |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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6GB is the max for this laptop. Apparently it'll take 8 but something makes the system unstable with 8.
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: The gcc compiler (maybe all 64 bit compilers) exclusively use the SSE registers for all floating point calculations, I know, but I haven't benchmarked how much of a speedup that gives for 64 bit mode (if any). Quote: I've used the f87 registers without problems in assembly language (they don't get trashed). But are slower, right? Trent Gamblin said: I just bought 6GB of ram for my macbook (to replace the 4GB in there now, what a waste but I'll sell it on ebay)
Shame. I upgraded the RAM in my MacBook to 4GB (from 2 GB) less than two weeks ago. Trent Gamblin said: Apparently it'll take 8 but something makes the system unstable with 8. I read that that problem is solved with the latest firmware update, possibly depending on OS version. |
Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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Evert said: But are slower, right? I poked around awhile looking for the mandelbrot directory that had this stuff and failed. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Bob Keane
Member #7,342
June 2006
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Thought I'd jump in and give everyone a laugh. I'm not upgrading/replacing old hardware with new, I just ordered a monitor for an Inspiron 3500 laptop. Even with 2nd day shipping, it's costing less than what you two are spending. I probably could use a new EIDE hard drive for my desktop. By reading this sig, I, the reader, agree to render my soul to Bob Keane. I, the reader, understand this is a legally binding contract and freely render my soul. |
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Bruce Perry said: swap disabled since it's bad for SSDs I leave swap enabled on my ssd. Makes for less hassle when things want or expect swap, and its not like it will wear out the ssd that fast. I recall seeing some calculations at one point that gave many years with swap usage on ssd. |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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Evert said: I read that that problem is solved with the latest firmware update, possibly depending on OS version. From my googling, I couldn't positively determine that it would work, so I ordered 6. Most sites said 6 was the max, with "possibly working with firmware update". Played it safe.
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Bruce Perry
Member #270
April 2000
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My secondary hard disk arrived today, so I've set up some swap space on it and everything works now! Portal now runs properly! And it's epically smooth the whole time, unlike on my laptop where it got jerky towards the end. And the GPU was quiet as a mouse. And Portal took advantage of my rear speakers. @.@ The new hard disk is the loudest component in there when it revs up. Hopefully it'll do that less often when I've got my 8 GB. -- |
ImLeftFooted
Member #3,935
October 2003
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I spent $600 on mine and it came with wireless internet and a 10 hour battery life. |
Tobias Dammers
Member #2,604
August 2002
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Dustin Dettmer said: I spent $600 on mine and it came with wireless internet and a 10 hour battery life. 10 hours? I want that! --- |
Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Tobias Dammers said: 10 hours? I want that! Sounds like a shitty netbook, or an iPad (or similar device). -- |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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For that price, yeah. There are nice notebooks that will last that long. I think the newer macbook pros and I've heard of some thinkpads that do too.
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Trent Gamblin said: I think the newer macbook pros and I've heard of some thinkpads that do too. I have my doubts. The only laptop style devices I know of that can last 10 hours are really netbooks (or at least "sub-notebooks"). Like the MacBook Air, or the ThinkPad X series. -- |
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