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jhuuskon
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April 2000
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Professional is the best deal on Windows 7. You get most of the good stuff, the longest support period (5 years longer than home or even ultimate) and it costs only about 30€ more than Home Premium.

@ Mr. Oates: Maximus is exactly the plugin you want.

You don't deserve my sig.

Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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bamccaig said:

Dell is a nightmare to deal with and they load the computers full of spam (fuck you, it is too spam).

You can fix both of those.

1. Get a 2-4 year extended warranty. It'll only add a couple hundred to the price.
2. Make sure you insist on getting it without crap-ware. Or even OS-less (or their ubuntu option if they still have it). crap-ware-less version will add $50 to the price or so (they subsidize the price of the computer by getting paid to install trial versions of software from many companies including Microsoft), but the OS-less version should actually cost about $50 less than stock (but a copy of W7 is about $100-160~ cad).

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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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jhuuskon said:

Maximus is exactly the plugin you want.

$189 dollas :o!? good lawd that's a lotta money!

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Mastering Maximizer, it's also a Compressor/Limiter, Noise Gate, Expander, Ducker and De-esser.

Sho is nice. Only 3 bands, though. I would expect unlimited bands for that price. I wonder how hard it would be to program something like that.

I'd sure use it.

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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type568 said:

thepiratebay.org says Windows is free :-/

Where's the source code? <yawn> Oh, yeah, they gave it to the Russians! Maybe if you ask nice they'll torrent it.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Holy ******* ****!

they'll torrent it

You're kiddin', aren't you. And I won't be too surprised to download it in a couple of weeks.

How the **** though. It sounds like a joke.

Append:
>When you have a force with so little training that you can jam an AK-47

I believe that a force requires really decent training in order to jam an AK based assault rifle.

bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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It dependes at what resolution. A 8800GT (a 4 years old GPU) will have no problems runing Portal 2 at max setings at 720p. For 1080p you'll probably need something better, but a GTX 560 would be more than enought. For the CPU I don't think you'll need more than a Dual Core for it (few games nowadays are very dependant on CPU).

Take into account that most PC games are console ports, so the requirementes haven't really go up by much in the last years. Clear example: I can smoothly run Crysis 2 at high settings at 720p with my 8800GT and a E6750 @ 3.2 GHz.

My monitor's native resolution (and desktop resolution) is 2048x1152 so I'll want to play at that as well. :)

PS3 borke? (ironic as hell I know someone who broke so many that he had to create a new PSN account because his old one is linked to too many already)

No, my PS3 is fine, but it's not a PC and first-person shooters are best enjoyed on a PC. I hate playing first-person games on a console. Controllers are not meant for that kind of gameplay. Neither is Move, IMHO. I think I'll buy the PS3 version if it comes with the free Steam key for PC, but I'll prefer playing on PC.

...afk.

;D

BAF said:

Building your own will free you from purchasing a Windows license as well. We all know how much bam hates Windows, so there's another couple hundred bucks in his pocket.

Windows 7 Home Premium is only $100, but of course bambam would buy the $250 version because it's more expensive.

I already have a retail copy of Windows 7 Ultimate (specifically for gaming). :P BAF is absolutely correct. I do not want to have to pay for a[nother] Windows license.

I'm beginning to consider buying the parts and assembling it myself. :-/ And when it doesn't work I'll blame all of you. >:( $1000-1500 does sound a lot better... BUT, will that get me Portal 2 @ 2048x1152 and at least 60 FPS? :'(

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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bamccaig said:

1000-1500 does sound a lot better... BUT, will that get me Portal 2 @ 2048x1152 and at least 60 FPS?

Sure. Just make sure to get a decent gpu. games are mostly gpu bound. The cpu doesn't matter so much.

And if you want load times to improve, get a fast disk. SSDs are the fastest and will make loading a game on it seem nearly instant compared to normal HDDs.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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bamccaig said:

My monitor's native resolution (and desktop resolution) is 2048x1152 so I'll want to play at that as well.

1280x720 is also 16:9 and would be plenty good enough. I don't know the price difference required to go from there to 1080p, but if it's significant, then just manage your expectations.

You're going to be broke your entire life with nothing to show for it except a bunch of used-to-be-nice, has-been electronics collecting dust in your closet. :P

Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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You really have to ask yourself: "Will this actually make my penis bigger?"

... and the answer is no. It wont.

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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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It will make his ePenis bigger. He'll be able to gloat about a slightly larger number in synthetic benchmarks.

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MiquelFire
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January 2003
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bamccaig said:

I think I'll buy the PS3 version if it comes with the free Steam key for PC, but I'll prefer playing on PC.

Yes. Also, you'll be able to link your PSN account to your Steam account as well if you can't get a good computer up in time, play on the PS3 until you do, and when the computer is up, switch to the PC (Steam Cloud will handle the saves for you). (Oh, and you can play Co-op with PC users even though you're on a PS3)

[edit] Man, do you even follow any news for Portal 2?

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Sure. Just make sure to get a decent gpu. games are mostly gpu bound. The cpu doesn't matter so much.

And if you want load times to improve, get a fast disk. SSDs are the fastest and will make loading a game on it seem nearly instant compared to normal HDDs.

I don't just game though. I also open 100s of tabs in Firefox, 10s of them YouTube and other Flash applications. :P In addition, I often compile source code regularly. I would like a reasonably fast processor as well, but I'm willing to give a bit on that to save some money... It would be nice to improve boot times with an SSD, but I'm not concerned about load times as much.

I'm sort of left where I always am. AMD or Intel? Nvidia or ATI? :-X I don't even know how AMD or ATI name / version their processors and cards so I have no idea what to even compare to Intel and Nvidia (not that I know much more about them)...

Yes. Also, you'll be able to link your PSN account to your Steam account as well if you can't get a good computer up in time, play on the PS3 until you do, and when the computer is up, switch to the PC (Steam Cloud will handle the saves for you). (Oh, and you can play Co-op with PC users even though you're on a PS3)

Samuel Henderson mentioned this on the weekend. I'm still not sure I believe it. :P

[edit] Man, do you even follow any news for Portal 2?

I haven't been gaming on PC in a while (due to my shitbox degrading and the Counter-Strike community shifting from respectable players to halo rejects...). So I haven't been running Steam (or even Windows) in months and therefore haven't heard anything really. I just realized that the release date was so near a short while ago. I think I became aware when a colleague mentioned last week something about Amnesia: The Dark Descent having some kind of connection to Aperture Science (I guess there are hidden login credentials in some indie games that unlock some bonus content on the Aperture Science Web site). After that he pointed out the teaser videos released so I watched them. That's about all I've seen so far.

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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bamccaig said:

I don't just game though. I also open 100s of tabs in Firefox, 10s of them YouTube and other Flash applications. In addition, I often compile source code. I would like a reasonably fast processor as well, but I'm willing to give a bit on that to save some money... It would be nice to improve boot times with an SSD, but I'm not concerned about load times as much.

There isn't that much difference between a super high end cpu and a medium/high end cpu. Except of course about $500.

And an SSD would also help with level loading. I'm sure you've been in a game and had to wait excessively long between levels...

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Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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If you don't know the differences between ATI/Nvidia etc., just wait until you do. It sounds to me like a bad case of money burning a hole in your pocket.

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

MiquelFire
Member #3,110
January 2003
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About the Potatoes, yea 13 indie games to be exact (12 were released before the madness, like Amnesia)

About the free PC version:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/ps3-portal-2-to-come-with-free-pcmac-version-cross-platform-play.ars

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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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bamccaig said:

Seconded (Thirded?). ;)

BAF, the suspense is killing me. >:(

Append: It would help a lot if people would say what a reasonable price for each component is... :-/ My estimates are $2000+...

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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What is your budget? i.e., What can you realistically afford to spend given your current salary and expenses?

bamccaig
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Derezo
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April 2001
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bamccaig said:

It would help a lot if people would say what a reasonable price for each component is... :-/

NCIX is a good Canadian retailer, and you can see the pricing of each component in those custom PCs. You can adjust the parts individually to meet your needs.

Their pricing isn't terrible, but if you were to order the parts individually you could use a tool like PriceDX.ca and match the pricing.

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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Derezo said:

NCIX is a good Canadian retailer, and you can see the pricing of each component in those custom PCs. You can adjust the parts individually to meet your needs.

NCIX is where I bought my current shitbox. :P It's not really their fault though. At the time I bought it to be a server. It was a custom box with a cheap case and stock fans. It ran fine text-only, but once I added a GPU to it and started using it as a desktop it began to overheat regularly. It survived for a while, but it's begun to kill itself when I leave it sitting idle... :-X The heatsink is pretty badly clogged, but even clean it had trouble so I'm thinking of getting a whole new system to erase this blah feeling (and the uncertainty of not knowing if any parts are actually damaged/failing).

Derezo said:

...use a tool like PriceDX.ca and match the pricing.

I will certainly check out that site once I get some sleep. ;D Thanks. :)

Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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I just checked newegg.com:

  • Antec Mid Tower Case + Antec 550W power supply

  • ASUS P7P55D-E Pro motherboard

  • Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz CPU

  • G.SKILL 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

  • SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM x2 (1TB)

  • LITE-ON 24x CD/DVD Burner

That total is $735.00, which means you could spend $350 on a graphics card and still be around $1100.

I basically just picked the top rated products that were priced cheap enough to give plenty of money left over for a graphics card. I assume you would reuse your existing Windows license.

You could upgrade to an i7 in the future.

I have no idea what settings you need to run video games at 1080p on a PC, but quite frankly, I wouldn't worry about it. Spend a sane amount and be happy with what it gets you.

For hi-res gaming that is guaranteed to be smooth ... use a PS3.

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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Even though I can run at high-res, I prefer the aesthetic look of 800x600 with all settings on (esp motion blur... mmm yummy). Most of the detail available at 1080p just makes engine's anomalies more apparent. At lower resolutions it hides most of that stuff. :)

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type568
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March 2007
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look of 800x600 with all settings

That also gives that retro-style effect if you're old enough to value it :P

I keep my resolution at 1680x1050 everywhere though.

Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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ASUS P7P55D-E Pro motherboard
Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz CPU

Don't get a socket 1156 motherboard and CPU if you want to be able to upgrade later, since that socket is being phased out. Go with a socket 1155 cpu, for example an i5 2400 (similar price and significantly faster than the i5-760).

For GPU I'd recomment the GTX 570. If you plan to SLI later, a 800W PSU should be enought.

Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Go with a socket 1155 cpu, for example an i5 2400 (similar price and significantly faster than the i5-760).

I wasn't recommending the exact specs... just pointing out that $3000 is ridiculous. I assumed 1156 was more modern since it was a bigger number. 8-)

Anyway, upgrading to the CPU you mentioned and swapping out a cheaper motherboard (but with good reviews) made the total $694.88 (pre-video card).



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