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I Don't Know What To Do ... I'm About To Spend $3000 ... |
jhuuskon
Member #302
April 2000
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@ mr. Oates: If I'm not entire mistaken, FL's Maximus has something like that. FL has had a single band dynamics mangler like you described for years, but I'm not exactly sure if that functionality in multiband form was included in Maximus. You don't deserve my sig. |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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Yes, really good is fair. But if you buy all quality parts, it's going to cost more than a grand, especially here in Canada.
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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I'd say a pre-built computer would be OK as long as you buy a decent power supply to go into it. Power supplies aren't sexy enough to include in the four color ads, so they skimp on those badly. I like Antec, myself. They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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In graphics, you have the nice "curves" color correction adjustment where you can just plot out a bezier curve or pencil it in. I get used to that, then I have to turn around and mess with knee, gain, freq, band... I'm like "Dude, just let me draw it in. -- |
bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Mark Oates said:
It's kinda like legos.
I hated legos. Mark Oates said: Also, you shouldn't spend $3100 on a computer. The difference between buying a awesome cutting edge computer and the one just below it is about $2000. And the performance difference approaches zero.
Yeah, I sort of know it's a bad idea to spend that much money (which is why I'm not announcing the purchase instead), but I just want something that does everything I could want it to with zero effort and zero issues. Dustin Dettmer said: Dell makes decent computers. If it comes with a warranty to boot -- then they're fronting the bill if they screw up, nothing to lose. Dell is a nightmare to deal with and they load the computers full of spam (fuck you, it is too spam). Trent Gamblin said: Let's see you do it.
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Edgar Reynaldo
Major Reynaldo
May 2007
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Using this website, So I think you're getting ripped off from wherever you were looking to buy your computer, as I saved $874 compared to you for pretty much the same PC. Try shopping for the exact same components at http://www.tigerdirect.com and you'll probably save even more money. My Website! | EAGLE GUI Library Demos | My Deviant Art Gallery | Spiraloid Preview | A4 FontMaker | Skyline! (Missile Defense) Eagle and Allegro 5 binaries | Older Allegro 4 and 5 binaries | Allegro 5 compile guide |
Jonatan Hedborg
Member #4,886
July 2004
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bamccaig said: but I just want something that does everything I could want it to with zero effort and zero issues. Not a computer then :/ You can get 85% of the performance in that computer for 1/3 of the price. I'd go with that, and upgrade again in 2-3 years (whenever the games you are playing are starting to feel sluggish at the graphics levels you are comfortable with). The Enjoyment/TCO ratio will be higher that way It's almost never worth getting a cutting edge computer, since the prices drop rapidly just a few notches down.
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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bamccaig said: I have no idea what it actually takes to, for example, run Portal 2 on full settings with zero issues It dependes at what resolution. A 8800GT (a 4 years old GPU) will have no problems runing Portal 2 at max setings at 720p. For 1080p you'll probably need something better, but a GTX 560 would be more than enought. For the CPU I don't think you'll need more than a Dual Core for it (few games nowadays are very dependant on CPU). Take into account that most PC games are console ports, so the requirementes haven't really go up by much in the last years. Clear example: I can smoothly run Crysis 2 at high settings at 720p with my 8800GT and a E6750 @ 3.2 GHz. -- |
MiquelFire
Member #3,110
January 2003
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bamccaig said: I have no idea what it actually takes to, for example, run Portal 2 on full settings with zero issues. PS3 borke? (ironic as hell I know someone who broke so many that he had to create a new PSN account because his old one is linked to too many already) --- |
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Trent Gamblin said: Let's see you do it. You can put together a pretty good PC for $1000, but I'm talking about one that will match that $3000 one he configured. His $3000 configuration is a bit higher than "pretty good." If you want to hit $1000, you'll need to make some compromises. You probably don't need a crazy i7 CPU, for example. i5, or a Phenom II will probably perform just as well at most of your every day tasks anyway. Same with video card. It also depends on what parts you can reuse. If I were bambam, I'd come up with a realistic set of specs and a budget. Pick up a nice case and PSU, a midrange motherboard, CPU, and video card, and 8 or 12GB of ram (depending on if it's dual or triple channel memory - that $3000 configuration should be triple channel, so I'm not sure why it has 8GB...). If you're willing to splurge the extra, I'd toss a 120GB SSD in for system files and what not, and a 1-2TB drive for bulk storage. Sure you won't hit the performance of that $3000 machine for $1000, but you can build a nice machine for $1000-$1500. Heck, I just haphazardly put together a configuration on newegg for $1450, with an i7 and SSD and all. Compromising on CPU/GPU/etc. and optimizing depending on what combos are available will only bring it down from there. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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BAF said: If I were bambam, I'd come up with a realistic set of specs and a budget. Yes. "Future proofing" a PC is a terrible decision. By the time you need the extra power, it would be cheaper to buy a new PC. A reasonable, non-gaming desktop PC can easily be built for $300. All you need on top of that to play games is a fancy graphics card. Of course it doesn't match up to a $3000 (or even $1500) PC, but it doesn't need to. Short version: change your desires. |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Matthew Leverton said: Yes. "Future proofing" a PC is a terrible decision. By the time you need the extra power, it would be cheaper to buy a new PC. Not necessarily. If you're a gamer the only part requiring a regular upgrade is going to be your video card, and upgrading it twice is sure better than buying three PCes suitable for gaming. Basically, even upgrading it once is likely to be worth it.
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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It's cheaper or similar in price to buy a midrange GPU now and upgrade to a midrange one later than it is to buy a high end one now. Not to mention the midrange one you buy later will likely beat today's high end one in performance. Buying high end computer parts NEVER pays off. You only do it if you want the epeen, or need the performance for some reason. Bammy doesn't need that much performance, I can just about guarantee it. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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type568 said: Not necessarily. If you're a gamer the only part requiring a regular upgrade is going to be your video card, and upgrading it twice is sure better than buying three PCes suitable for gaming. Basically, even upgrading it once is likely to be worth it. Uhm, I think you miss my point entirely. Why buy a $500+ video card today when you can buy a video card that can play today's game at a reasonable* frame rate for $150? Even if you bought a new $150 video card every year, it would take over three years to make up the $500 cost. And a $150 video card in 3.5 years from now will be better than the $500 video card. A video card is simple to replace, making it the worst candidate for future proofing. * I define reasonable to be anything that you would be satisfied with if you didn't know there was something better available. |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Of course. My statement is to buy a system for future profiting, while only replacing the video card. Which is cheaper than buy cheap PC over and over again. Buy a high end(but not bleeding edge) PC, with a middle-end video card & replace the card. Also add more RAM later on, as its cost typically drops. Same about HDDes. Append: Matthew Leverton said:
You would be satisfied with WinXP @ P-4 2.4Ghz, if you wouldn't know of alternatives. It WOULD slowdown your work however. I won't be mentioning experience of a gamer. It's matter of balance.
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Oscar Giner
Member #2,207
April 2002
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BAF said: that $3000 configuration should be triple channel, so I'm not sure why it has 8GB... The i7 2600K uses the LGA1155 socket, which only supports dual channel (not that there's any practical difference between dual and tripple channel anyway). -- |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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I would never spend 3000 on a computer, and probably not even 1500... all I'm sayin is you can get a PC with roughly the same parts for $1500. So that computer is not worth it, as everyone said, prices jump extremely quickly from very good to best. I wouldn't buy a dell either though. I don't think I'd buy an desktop PC except a home built one. That ncix build-your-custom-pc thing would probably be my choice if assembling a computer wasn't so easy or I had reservations about doing it. It is good knowledge to have though... I don't even play games except some simple 2d ones anyway, I have consoles for that... I think the coffee is ready, afk.
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Building your own will free you from purchasing a Windows license as well. We all know how much bam hates Windows, so there's another couple hundred bucks in his pocket. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Windows 7 Home Premium is only $100, but of course bambam would buy the $250 version because it's more expensive. |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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thepiratebay.org says Windows is free
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MiquelFire
Member #3,110
January 2003
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I saw Portal 2, so he has to get Windows if that's the reason he needs the new machine. --- |
BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Portal 2 will run on the Mac version of Steam. Maybe he wants to build a $3000 hackintosh? |
Goalie Ca
Member #2,579
July 2002
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Portal 2 will run on an xbox 360 too right? I'll be playing it on my mac. Not with highest settings of course but i don't think i appreciate graphics that much anyways after the point of feeling immersed. ------------- |
Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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Yay Portal 2!!! OMG its almost here! -- |
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