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Live Lobster - How To Preserve, How To Cook, How To eat
Arthur Kalliokoski
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February 2005
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You use real seawater to keep it alive until cooking, not to cook the lobster in!

They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas.

Evert
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November 2000
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bamccaig said:

I'm sure it's a wives tale that they scream.

I've always understood that any sound they make is due to air bubbles being vented from between their carapace. Could still just be a story though.

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I don't think it's really any different than fishing,

Don't think it is.

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We generally just throw the fish on the ice and let them slowly die there. To my knowledge, there's nothing illegal or "wrong" about that. I guess we just figure the animals don't have "feelings" or "conscious minds" like us and don't consider it cruel.

Well, animals certainly do have feelings and there is such a thing as being cruel to animals. Now here's why you may not want to subject an animal to a great deal of stress before killing it if you plan to eat it afterwards: the hormones released by stress can supposedly spoil the taste of the meat. That may be yet another story, but there seems no real reason to not kill an animal quickly.

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As long as you're doing it for food and not to be cruel/seek some kind of sick pleasure from it then I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with it.

Didn't say there was.
When I say I couldn't do it myself it has nothing to do with being morally superior or thinking it's cruel. I just think it's gross and will gladly pay someone else to do it for me.

EDIT: Oh, check if regular cutlery will do or whether you need something special to crack the shell and/or the claws. I think there are special tools for that, but maybe a nut-cracker will do.

Derezo
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bamccaig said:

Others seem to prefer using sheers or scissors to cut the shell open. Others apparently just use a knife and twist to crack the shell. Any advice regarding that?

I used a good set of scissors for cutting down the center. I wasn't afraid to make a mess by ripping through the claws and limbs with my bare hands. Cracking those parts with a shell cracker (or a nut cracker if it's a large lobster) is a far better alternative, though.

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I've also read that there is some meat within the midsection, but it's not very much so some people choose not to bother (as it is the more "disgusting" part of the animal, I suppose). Any experience with that?

White is right! ;)

Some people eat every bit, even the eyes. I discarded anything that looked like it would have a poor mouth feel and recommend the same. If it doesn't look anything like tail meat, it probably doesn't taste anything like tail meat.

The tail is the easy part and has the best meat, and is why a lot of people just buy the tails instead of the whole creature.

"He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe"

bamccaig
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July 2006
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Derezo said:

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I just read that and they recommended removing the claw ties before cooking the thing (i.e., while it's still alive). Every other source I've heard from recommends that you keep the claws clamped as they can and might do some serious harm to you if you're not extremely careful. :o We can't all be Steve Irwin, people. :(

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I'm a bad, bad man. :( OK, so I filled the pot without really measuring (it's hard to find a definitive amount of water anyway). Basically I just made sure there was enough water to cover the lobster. Then as the water was boiling I worried that the volume of lobster might overflow the boiling water so I used a large coffee cup to pull some water out of the pot. I then dropped the live lobster into it by hand. The bastard didn't fit. :o The claws/arms fell straight to the bottom of the pot and kept the body/tail out of the water. :-X I ended up having to reverse my previous procedure to add some more (very hot, filtered) tap water to the pot. I'm going to Hell, aren't I? :(

I think I might have overcooked it a bit. The claws look somewhat darker red than the rest of the body. I'm not sure. As soon as it cools enough to handle I plan to start trying to break the meat out. :o I'll have to make due with a knife/scissor set since I don't really have any other tools to use. If those don't work I'll have to see if my brother next door has any that will work.

Wish me luck. It's about to get messy. :P

Matthew Leverton
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It's about time for bambam's legendary buyer's remorse to kick in.

james_lohr
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February 2002

Good grief. That sounds like an awful lot of pain. I'd have just stuck in on a BBQ.

Elias
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May 2000

bamccaig said:

I'll have to make due with a knife/scissor set since I don't really have any other tools to use. If those don't work I'll have to see if my brother next door has any that will work.

An axe?

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bamccaig
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July 2006
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@Derezo: Is it normal to have white creamy substance in the claws or does that suggest that I didn't cook it long enough? Do I eat that or discard it? :-/

Trent Gamblin
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April 2000
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Discard the entire overgrown insect and get a steak.

William Labbett
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March 2004
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Good luck

phate
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April 2002
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bamccaig said:

I don't think it's really any different than fishing

I had to reread that a few times. I kept getting fist instead of fish :-/

Anywho, I've never cooked lobster myself, however my father has. He prefers to steam it and not boil it. Says it tastes better. I wouldn't honestly know as I refuse to eat ocean bugs. Also they do scream when steamed, in the sense that the screaming is actually steam escaping from their shell.

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Bob Keane
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Sorry for the late reply, you probably have cooked and eaten the thing by now. I used to work at one of the oldest seafood restaurants in Boston, so I know a thing or two. I have never heard a lobster scream when I put one in a pot, I did see one defecate on a table though. Tap water is fine for boiling, leave them in until they float, assuming the pot is big enough for that. You can broil them, stuffing them with langostinos and potato chip crumbs, baste them in butter and turn them over every so often, until red. When the meat is white and firm, they will be done. As for the rubber bands, you can leave them on, but take them off before you eat the lobster.

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bamccaig
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I said:

@Derezo: Is it normal to have white creamy substance in the claws or does that suggest that I didn't cook it long enough? Do I eat that or discard it? :-/

Fortunately I discovered a #cooking channel on freenode that helped out a bit. Apparently the white substance is blood that turns white when cooked. Apparently it's safe to eat. It's supposed to be mostly tasteless, and indeed I ate some off of my finger and it seemed mostly tasteless.

Bob Keane said:

Sorry for the late reply, you probably have cooked and eaten the thing by now. I used to work at one of the oldest seafood restaurants in Boston, so I know a thing or two.

Nice.

Bob Keane said:

I have never heard a lobster scream when I put one in a pot, I did see one defecate on a table though.

That was one of the things I feared most. :-X If I found a mess in the box when I opened it I probably would have inconspicuously chucked it in the dumper and showered ... :P

Bob Keane said:

Tap water is fine for boiling, leave them in until they float, assuming the pot is big enough for that.

The pot wasn't really big enough. It just barely fit the lobster. It turns out I was mistaken about the size thing. Looking more closely at the label it appears that the lobster was 0.9x kg, which is just over 2 lbs, as I thought originally. The price corresponds to that too, thankfully. :) I'm not sure why the label says "size 1 - 1.25 lbs", but meh... In any case, I waited about 9-10 minutes, and the lobster seemed red so I removed the pot from heat and put the lobster on the counter. :)

Bob Keane said:

You can broil them, stuffing them with langostinos and potato chip crumbs, baste them in butter and turn them over every so often, until red.

I don't know what you just said there, but it sounds like extra work. :P

Bob Keane said:

When the meat is white and firm, they will be done.

How do you know when the meat is white? :-/ Or did you remove the meat before cooking?

Bob Keane said:

As for the rubber bands, you can leave them on, but take them off before you eat the lobster.

I discovered that there is quite a bit of tension in the rubber bands. The first one went flying across the room. Fortunately, not into my eye. :P Interestingly, the shell is also very inflexible and attempting to cut into it leads to a lot of tension. A few good pieces went rocketing across my kitchen (again, fortunately not into my eye). I did manage to cut myself trying to break into the arms by hand. >:( At this point I basically have the whole thing opened up. I have scooped most of the tomalley into a glass. I tasted it off my fingers (direct from the "body cavity") a few times and I'm not sure yet how I feel about it. It's "different". The fact that I scooped it out of an animal that was alive a couple of hours ago probably has gotten to my nerves a bit. Maybe I'll enjoy it more with lemon juice and/or lobster meat. We'll see. It seems that I yielded about a cereal bowl worth of meat from this 2 lb lobster. I've so far only really eaten a smaller pincher worth of meat. And maybe another crumb. It does taste good though. It is quite a bit of mess though. When the smoke clears I figure I'll be cleaning the kitchen all night, partly due to inexperience. :-/

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I wouldn't want to disappoint anyone. I failed... The meat seemed good originally; the couple of pieces that I tasted while I cut it open. I think I did two things wrong: I took way too long to eat the meat and I microwaved it to try to warm it up. It took me probably a good 2 or 3 hours to get the lobster all carved up and the meat extracted. I finally got the "carcass" thrown away and decided to melt some margarine (I don't have butter) in the same dish to eat it with. I did this while I took the Styrofoam box down to the dumpster. When I got back I excitedly grabbed the meat from the microwave and went to take a bite. To my horror it didn't break off nice and soft. It refused to come apart. It was rubbery... I couldn't even try to eat it. I think the meat was ruined... Ugh. I haven't given up on lobster, but I don't think I'll attempt to cook it again until I've tried it at an actual restaurant. It's going to be a real bitch to clean the kitchen now. I've mostly cleaned up the mess from the lobster, but I already had a stack of dishes waiting to be cleaned and this just pushed me over the edge. In any case, since cutting the lobster up sent spray and shell everywhere I'll have a fun time trying to clean it all up amongst my appliances and such. >:(

BAF
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December 2002
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WTF? Rip into it while it's still hot, and eat it as you extract the meat. If you can't get in to a part of the shell, smash it with something hard/heavy... a hammer?

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September 2005
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bamccaig said:

but maybe she was just fucking me

:o Wow, that is a high-end grocery store!

Mark Oates
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March 2001
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I've seen people use pliers before.

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December 2004
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bamccaig said:

Do you personally consider it more humane to kill them like that instead of dropping them into the pot?

I usually only kill them first as I usually BBQ them rather than dropping them in a pot, and I don;t want them to tun away. ;)

Derezo
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April 2001
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bamccaig said:

Is it normal to have white creamy substance in the claws or does that suggest that I didn't cook it long enough?

My first thoughts were... "Creamy? :-/"

Mine have always looked like this:
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bamccaig said:

I did manage to cut myself trying to break into the arms by hand. >:(

Those spines can be a bitch! I'm a delicate barbarian when it comes to that stuff.

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I microwaved it

Nooooo! :o

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some margarine

Nooooo!! :o

Good luck next time.

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Evert
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November 2000
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bamccaig said:

The meat seemed good originally; the couple of pieces that I tasted while I cut it open. I think I did two things wrong: I took way too long to eat the meat and I microwaved it to try to warm it up. It took me probably a good 2 or 3 hours to get the lobster all carved up and the meat extracted.

You're supposed to do that while you're eating it.
At least that's my experience of being at a table with people who are eating lobster.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axDtj2bSduM
(Sorry about the quality, best I could find).

EDIT2: embedding of external video not working?

LennyLen
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December 2004
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Evert said:

EDIT2: embedding of external video not working?

It seems to not like some videos.

Also, I forgot to mention earlier about the plunging into cold water to stop further cooking - it's only a brief (ten seconds or so) plunge, so the flesh stays hot.

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Evert said:

embedding of external video not working?

The Video said:

Embedding disabled by request

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bamccaig said:

I microwaved it

You should never microwave meat. Period.

bamccaig said:

I think the only reason I consider [shrimp and lobster] related is because they're both considered somewhat "fancy" or "expensive" food in American media

I have never seen shrimp referred to as fancy. They cost about the same per pound as beef around here. (Lobster, on the other hand, is like $26/lb.)

I suppose that cooking shrimp is similar to lobster, scallops, etc, in that if you overcook them -- as you discovered -- they get rubbery. I hope that next time you try it you have the proper utensils (at least a shell cracker) and can enjoy it better.

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Wasn't it in family guy or the simpsons where somebody got a lobster and it turned into their best friend (no, not homer's pig). Or maybe a film. It's definitely something.

But, what's wrong with killing it humanely like chopping it's head off or stabbing it in the heart rather than letting it boil to death, though whether they have no nervous system to feel pain I don't know.

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BamBam said:

Bob Keane said:

You can broil them, stuffing them with langostinos and potato chip crumbs, baste them in butter and turn them over every so often, until red.

I don't know what you just said there, but it sounds like extra work. :P
Bob Keane said:

When the meat is white and firm, they will be done.

How do you know when the meat is white? :-/ Or did you remove the meat before cooking?

!. Extra work yes, but worth it if you have a good potato chip stuffing recipe.
2.You won't know if the meat is white and firm without cutting the lobster. I threw it out there as part of the broiling/ bbq recipe.
Scallops are good, bread them and broil/ bake them in white wine and butter. I think I'll have some this week. As for shrimp, when you cook them yourself, remember to remove the vein.

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StevenVI said:

You should never microwave meat. Period.

I agree that microwaving seafood is probably a bad idea (I did it as a desperate attempt to salvage the lobster), but for other meats it comes in very handy. For example, sloppy joe meat. Sure, you could go to the trouble of heating it back up in a pan, but it only takes like 45 seconds in the microwave, and no extra dishes! Of course the meat can dry out if you microwave it too long, but otherwise I see no harm in it at all.

StevenVI said:

I have never seen shrimp referred to as fancy. They cost about the same per pound as beef around here. (Lobster, on the other hand, is like $26/lb.)

If that were true I would eat it a lot more often. It's nowhere near as expensive as lobster, but it's not quite as cheap as beef.

StevenVI said:

I hope that next time you try it you have the proper utensils (at least a shell cracker) and can enjoy it better.

As do I. I don't think I'll try it again until I've tried it in a restaurant though, which could be a while since I don't think there are any restaurants nearby that serve it. :(

But, what's wrong with killing it humanely like chopping it's head off or stabbing it in the heart rather than letting it boil to death, though whether they have no nervous system to feel pain I don't know.

Their head is wrapped in the exoskeleton too so I'm not sure how humanely you could remove it and if they have hearts they must be pretty small because I didn't see any. :P

Today I woke up feeling pretty sick. I'm not sure if it was the little bit of lobster that I consumed (it was enough to give me strong gas all night and morning though) or if it was something else (afterward I made a ton of fries since the lobster was ruined and might have made too many to fully cook on the baking sheet). :(

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