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| Live Lobster - How To Preserve, How To Cook, How To eat |
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Arthur Kalliokoski
Second in Command
February 2005
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You use real seawater to keep it alive until cooking, not to cook the lobster in! They all watch too much MSNBC... they get ideas. |
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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bamccaig said: I'm sure it's a wives tale that they scream. I've always understood that any sound they make is due to air bubbles being vented from between their carapace. Could still just be a story though. Quote: I don't think it's really any different than fishing, Don't think it is. Quote: We generally just throw the fish on the ice and let them slowly die there. To my knowledge, there's nothing illegal or "wrong" about that. I guess we just figure the animals don't have "feelings" or "conscious minds" like us and don't consider it cruel. Well, animals certainly do have feelings and there is such a thing as being cruel to animals. Now here's why you may not want to subject an animal to a great deal of stress before killing it if you plan to eat it afterwards: the hormones released by stress can supposedly spoil the taste of the meat. That may be yet another story, but there seems no real reason to not kill an animal quickly. Quote: As long as you're doing it for food and not to be cruel/seek some kind of sick pleasure from it then I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with it.
Didn't say there was. EDIT: Oh, check if regular cutlery will do or whether you need something special to crack the shell and/or the claws. I think there are special tools for that, but maybe a nut-cracker will do. |
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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bamccaig said: Others seem to prefer using sheers or scissors to cut the shell open. Others apparently just use a knife and twist to crack the shell. Any advice regarding that? I used a good set of scissors for cutting down the center. I wasn't afraid to make a mess by ripping through the claws and limbs with my bare hands. Cracking those parts with a shell cracker (or a nut cracker if it's a large lobster) is a far better alternative, though. Quote: I've also read that there is some meat within the midsection, but it's not very much so some people choose not to bother (as it is the more "disgusting" part of the animal, I suppose). Any experience with that? White is right! Some people eat every bit, even the eyes. I discarded anything that looked like it would have a poor mouth feel and recommend the same. If it doesn't look anything like tail meat, it probably doesn't taste anything like tail meat. The tail is the easy part and has the best meat, and is why a lot of people just buy the tails instead of the whole creature. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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I just read that and they recommended removing the claw ties before cooking the thing (i.e., while it's still alive). Every other source I've heard from recommends that you keep the claws clamped as they can and might do some serious harm to you if you're not extremely careful. AppendThe water is boiling. It's go-time! Append
I'm a bad, bad man. I think I might have overcooked it a bit. The claws look somewhat darker red than the rest of the body. I'm not sure. As soon as it cools enough to handle I plan to start trying to break the meat out. Wish me luck. It's about to get messy. -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
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Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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It's about time for bambam's legendary buyer's remorse to kick in. |
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james_lohr
Member #1,947
February 2002
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Good grief. That sounds like an awful lot of pain. I'd have just stuck in on a BBQ.
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Elias
Member #358
May 2000
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bamccaig said: I'll have to make due with a knife/scissor set since I don't really have any other tools to use. If those don't work I'll have to see if my brother next door has any that will work. An axe? -- |
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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@Derezo: Is it normal to have white creamy substance in the claws or does that suggest that I didn't cook it long enough? Do I eat that or discard it? -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
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Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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Discard the entire overgrown insect and get a steak.
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William Labbett
Member #4,486
March 2004
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Good luck
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phate
Member #2,235
April 2002
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bamccaig said: I don't think it's really any different than fishing
I had to reread that a few times. I kept getting fist instead of fish Anywho, I've never cooked lobster myself, however my father has. He prefers to steam it and not boil it. Says it tastes better. I wouldn't honestly know as I refuse to eat ocean bugs. Also they do scream when steamed, in the sense that the screaming is actually steam escaping from their shell. |
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Bob Keane
Member #7,342
June 2006
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Sorry for the late reply, you probably have cooked and eaten the thing by now. I used to work at one of the oldest seafood restaurants in Boston, so I know a thing or two. I have never heard a lobster scream when I put one in a pot, I did see one defecate on a table though. Tap water is fine for boiling, leave them in until they float, assuming the pot is big enough for that. You can broil them, stuffing them with langostinos and potato chip crumbs, baste them in butter and turn them over every so often, until red. When the meat is white and firm, they will be done. As for the rubber bands, you can leave them on, but take them off before you eat the lobster. By reading this sig, I, the reader, agree to render my soul to Bob Keane. I, the reader, understand this is a legally binding contract and freely render my soul. |
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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I said:
@Derezo: Is it normal to have white creamy substance in the claws or does that suggest that I didn't cook it long enough? Do I eat that or discard it? Fortunately I discovered a #cooking channel on freenode that helped out a bit. Apparently the white substance is blood that turns white when cooked. Apparently it's safe to eat. It's supposed to be mostly tasteless, and indeed I ate some off of my finger and it seemed mostly tasteless. Bob Keane said: Sorry for the late reply, you probably have cooked and eaten the thing by now. I used to work at one of the oldest seafood restaurants in Boston, so I know a thing or two. Nice. Bob Keane said: I have never heard a lobster scream when I put one in a pot, I did see one defecate on a table though.
That was one of the things I feared most. Bob Keane said: Tap water is fine for boiling, leave them in until they float, assuming the pot is big enough for that.
The pot wasn't really big enough. It just barely fit the lobster. It turns out I was mistaken about the size thing. Looking more closely at the label it appears that the lobster was 0.9x kg, which is just over 2 lbs, as I thought originally. The price corresponds to that too, thankfully. Bob Keane said: You can broil them, stuffing them with langostinos and potato chip crumbs, baste them in butter and turn them over every so often, until red.
I don't know what you just said there, but it sounds like extra work. Bob Keane said: When the meat is white and firm, they will be done.
How do you know when the meat is white? Bob Keane said: As for the rubber bands, you can leave them on, but take them off before you eat the lobster.
I discovered that there is quite a bit of tension in the rubber bands. The first one went flying across the room. Fortunately, not into my eye. Horrible IdeaI wouldn't want to disappoint anyone. I failed... The meat seemed good originally; the couple of pieces that I tasted while I cut it open. I think I did two things wrong: I took way too long to eat the meat and I microwaved it to try to warm it up. It took me probably a good 2 or 3 hours to get the lobster all carved up and the meat extracted. I finally got the "carcass" thrown away and decided to melt some margarine (I don't have butter) in the same dish to eat it with. I did this while I took the Styrofoam box down to the dumpster. When I got back I excitedly grabbed the meat from the microwave and went to take a bite. To my horror it didn't break off nice and soft. It refused to come apart. It was rubbery... I couldn't even try to eat it. I think the meat was ruined... Ugh. I haven't given up on lobster, but I don't think I'll attempt to cook it again until I've tried it at an actual restaurant. It's going to be a real bitch to clean the kitchen now. I've mostly cleaned up the mess from the lobster, but I already had a stack of dishes waiting to be cleaned and this just pushed me over the edge. In any case, since cutting the lobster up sent spray and shell everywhere I'll have a fun time trying to clean it all up amongst my appliances and such. >:( -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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WTF? Rip into it while it's still hot, and eat it as you extract the meat. If you can't get in to a part of the shell, smash it with something hard/heavy... a hammer? |
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Kibiz0r
Member #6,203
September 2005
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bamccaig said: but maybe she was just fucking me
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Mark Oates
Member #1,146
March 2001
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I've seen people use pliers before. -- |
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LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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bamccaig said: Do you personally consider it more humane to kill them like that instead of dropping them into the pot? I usually only kill them first as I usually BBQ them rather than dropping them in a pot, and I don;t want them to tun away.
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Derezo
Member #1,666
April 2001
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bamccaig said: Is it normal to have white creamy substance in the claws or does that suggest that I didn't cook it long enough? My first thoughts were... "Creamy? Mine have always looked like this: bamccaig said: I did manage to cut myself trying to break into the arms by hand. Those spines can be a bitch! I'm a delicate barbarian when it comes to that stuff. Quote: I microwaved it Nooooo! Quote: some margarine Nooooo!! Good luck next time. "He who controls the stuffing controls the Universe" |
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Evert
Member #794
November 2000
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bamccaig said: The meat seemed good originally; the couple of pieces that I tasted while I cut it open. I think I did two things wrong: I took way too long to eat the meat and I microwaved it to try to warm it up. It took me probably a good 2 or 3 hours to get the lobster all carved up and the meat extracted.
You're supposed to do that while you're eating it. EDIT: EDIT2: embedding of external video not working? |
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LennyLen
Member #5,313
December 2004
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Evert said: EDIT2: embedding of external video not working? It seems to not like some videos. Also, I forgot to mention earlier about the plunging into cold water to stop further cooking - it's only a brief (ten seconds or so) plunge, so the flesh stays hot.
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gnolam
Member #2,030
March 2002
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StevenVI
Member #562
July 2000
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bamccaig said: I microwaved it You should never microwave meat. Period. bamccaig said: I think the only reason I consider [shrimp and lobster] related is because they're both considered somewhat "fancy" or "expensive" food in American media I have never seen shrimp referred to as fancy. They cost about the same per pound as beef around here. (Lobster, on the other hand, is like $26/lb.) I suppose that cooking shrimp is similar to lobster, scallops, etc, in that if you overcook them -- as you discovered -- they get rubbery. I hope that next time you try it you have the proper utensils (at least a shell cracker) and can enjoy it better. __________________________________________________ |
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Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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Wasn't it in family guy or the simpsons where somebody got a lobster and it turned into their best friend (no, not homer's pig). Or maybe a film. It's definitely something. But, what's wrong with killing it humanely like chopping it's head off or stabbing it in the heart rather than letting it boil to death, though whether they have no nervous system to feel pain I don't know. Neil. wii:0356-1384-6687-2022, kart:3308-4806-6002. XBOX:chucklepie |
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Bob Keane
Member #7,342
June 2006
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BamBam said: Bob Keane said: You can broil them, stuffing them with langostinos and potato chip crumbs, baste them in butter and turn them over every so often, until red. I don't know what you just said there, but it sounds like extra work. When the meat is white and firm, they will be done. How do you know when the meat is white? !. Extra work yes, but worth it if you have a good potato chip stuffing recipe. By reading this sig, I, the reader, agree to render my soul to Bob Keane. I, the reader, understand this is a legally binding contract and freely render my soul. |
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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StevenVI said: You should never microwave meat. Period. I agree that microwaving seafood is probably a bad idea (I did it as a desperate attempt to salvage the lobster), but for other meats it comes in very handy. For example, sloppy joe meat. Sure, you could go to the trouble of heating it back up in a pan, but it only takes like 45 seconds in the microwave, and no extra dishes! Of course the meat can dry out if you microwave it too long, but otherwise I see no harm in it at all. StevenVI said: I have never seen shrimp referred to as fancy. They cost about the same per pound as beef around here. (Lobster, on the other hand, is like $26/lb.) If that were true I would eat it a lot more often. It's nowhere near as expensive as lobster, but it's not quite as cheap as beef. StevenVI said: I hope that next time you try it you have the proper utensils (at least a shell cracker) and can enjoy it better.
As do I. I don't think I'll try it again until I've tried it in a restaurant though, which could be a while since I don't think there are any restaurants nearby that serve it. Neil Walker said: But, what's wrong with killing it humanely like chopping it's head off or stabbing it in the heart rather than letting it boil to death, though whether they have no nervous system to feel pain I don't know.
Their head is wrapped in the exoskeleton too so I'm not sure how humanely you could remove it and if they have hearts they must be pretty small because I didn't see any. Today I woke up feeling pretty sick. I'm not sure if it was the little bit of lobster that I consumed (it was enough to give me strong gas all night and morning though) or if it was something else (afterward I made a ton of fries since the lobster was ruined and might have made too many to fully cook on the baking sheet). -- acc.js | al4anim - Allegro 4 Animation library | Allegro 5 VS/NuGet Guide | Allegro.cc Mockup | Allegro.cc <code> Tag | Allegro 4 Timer Example (w/ Semaphores) | Allegro 5 "Winpkg" (MSVC readme) | Bambot | Blog | C++ STL Container Flowchart | Castopulence Software | Check Return Values | Derail? | Is This A Discussion? Flow Chart | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard | Clean Code Talks - Global State and Singletons | How To Use Header Files | GNU/Linux (Debian, Fedora, Gentoo) | rot (rot13, rot47, rotN) | Streaming |
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