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So, Firefox 4...
Tobias Dammers
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August 2002
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Just installed it, and after the fiasco of an earlier release candidate (which lasted about an hour on my machine), I can say I actually like it. It's noticably faster (well, more responsive that is) than 3.6, the UI is prettier (somebody has taken some long hard looks at Opera I'd say), they cut out much of the crap found in earlier RCs, and so far it has yet to cause any problem at all. Only annoyance so far is that Firebug doesn't seem to be available yet, but other than that, I'm all 'yay'.

I've also sampled IE9 today, and while I find it butt-ugly, it seems that finally I have to man up and do my job instead of blaming IE for being lame. It's still behind the rest of the bunch in many regards, but at least they're now playing in the same league again.

In other news, browser-land is interesting again, in a good way.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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somebody has taken some long hard looks at Opera I'd say

Why? To figure out what not to do? Opera has the worst UI of any browser, including IE. :o

superstar4410
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January 2001
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Ouch

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blargmob
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February 2007
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Enjoy your shitty, slow, single-process browser :-*

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type568
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March 2007
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IE is single processed? o0

Vanneto
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May 2007

Jesse is a Chromeboy. :P

So, how about the memory usage? Currently, with 10 tabs open, with 3.6, its 160MB. Can't say its over 9000!!!! but its a lot.

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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you can get firebug from their website.

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Trent Gamblin
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April 2000
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I just tried firefox 3 for the first time today.. not half bad. Somehow I had been "running" (using for testing once in a while) an old 1.5.x version for quite some time thinking it was up to date.

Tobias Dammers
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August 2002
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Why? To figure out what not to do? Opera has the worst UI of any browser, including IE.

Well, I'd rank IE slightly below Opera, but they're both pretty bad. What I'm talking about is the tab headers - they look a lot like those in Opera, and while Opera is general usability disaster (unless you happen to be one of those people who somehow like it, in which case it' apparently better than sliced bread), at least the graphics design is visually pleasing. I can never guess what things do, but they're pretty. IE however is both unusable AND ugly.
Firefox used to be ugly and slow, but very usable otherwise, and it still has the best collection of extensions.

I just tried firefox 3 for the first time today.. not half bad. Somehow I had been "running" (using for testing once in a while) an old 1.5.x version for quite some time thinking it was up to date.

Oh dear... even 3.0 is beyond end-of-lifecycle... :-X

Vanneto said:

So, how about the memory usage? Currently, with 10 tabs open, with 3.6, its 160MB. Can't say its over 9000!!!! but its a lot.

Why does everyone obsess so much about memory usage? I generally have enough RAM on my machine to spare a few hundred MiB on the web browser, and as long as nothing causes swapping, I'm perfectly OK with a web browser that allocates more memory than it would strictly need. After all, using more memory is often the result of trading - you lose some memory, you win some CPU time, network bandwidth, I/O, etc. 9 GiB would definitely be too much, but I've never seen that.

you can get firebug from their website.

Gee, you're right. The 'installer' is a bit ghetto, but I'm fine with that. ;D

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Enjoy your , slow, single-process browser

It's not that slow anymore. Still behind the rest in various benchmarks, but not in a way that you'd notice during normal use. I have no idea how Firefox uses threads and processes; 3.6 occasionally locked up on me, to the point that I had to go killall -9 firefox and then manually remove the lockfile, but I haven't had any such issues with 4.0 yet.

Also, I wonder how one would benchmark IE on linux :P

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Two things I noticed with FF4:

  1. You can switch to a tab by typing in the name of the page into the location bar. This would be helpful for BAF with his 550 tabs. Maybe he'd only have 525 if he didn't open up duplicates. (I think this is a new feature.)


  2. The Javascript dialog popups are HTML instead of a native window. This is good because a) prompts only take control of the active page and b) they look more like they came from the website, as opposed to something official. (Good for stupid people.)

Thomas Fjellstrom
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June 2000
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Why does everyone obsess so much about memory usage? I generally have enough RAM on my machine to spare a few hundred MiB on the web browser, and as long as nothing causes swapping, I'm perfectly OK with a web browser that allocates more memory than it would strictly need.

Really? So you don't care at all if some software is using 2GB or more for no reason what so ever? I do. Its stupid. Its lazy ass coding and not giving a fuck. If they can't bother with managing memory use, how many other things do they not care about?

I often see firefox and chrome eat up multiple GB of ram. At least though with chrome I don't have to restart the entire browser to free up some ram. Though sometimes I do need to restart chrome to get it to stop hanging every other tab.

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Neil Walker
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April 2000
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I leave my work's laptop switched on overnight to save switching on and have noticed FF4 is doing something bad with memory management, it just goes up and up every day and never lets go.

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Neil Roy
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April 2002
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I like FF3. After looking at screenshots of FF4 I am hesitant to switch to it. I don't like Chrome at all, don't like the interface and I hate navigating menus, I like my toolbar with all my links on it. I also like my home button, reload buttons etc.. on the upper left side, not the right...

I never have some of the problems people have mentioned in here, like lockups or what not. I would like to see it use less memory but otherwise I am happy with FF3 as is.

If there is some sort of add on where I can make the FF4 UI look the same as FF3 with my toolbar for links etc... than I will give it a shot. But even then... FF3 works for me, I have no problems with it, so why change?

Firefox used to be ugly and slow

Slow?! I have known Firefox for a lot of things, but never slow. One of the reasons I switched to it so many years ago was because it was so fast. And still is.

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Sol Blast
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April 2008
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@Neil: I'm not sure if there's a theme for more of a classic Firefox 3 look yet, but if not there'll almost certainly be on soon. The interface is also almost completely configurable. So you can choose if and where you want your buttons to make it more like how it was before.

Neil Walker
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April 2000
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Enable the menu in the latest FF4 beta, drag the icons from the right to the left like I have and it's no different to FF3, only faster.

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MiquelFire
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January 2003
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You can customize the hell out of the toolbar in Firefox 4 (so home, reload, stop can be on the left side), and you can still have the bookmark bar (I have it, not sure if that's the default or not)

The screenshots I provided has plugin bloat for buttons (one of which, I might remove as I'll be using the so called addon bar at the bottom)

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gnolam
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March 2002
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Enable the menu in the latest FF4 beta, drag the icons from the right to the left like I have and it's no different to FF3, only faster.

So I'm not seeing the tab bar above the address bar in that screenshot?

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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gnolam said:

So I'm not seeing the tab bar above the address bar in that screenshot?

It's configurable too:

tabs-on-top-bottom.jpg

I like how people are always trying to get things the way they used to be. Old farts hate change. ;D

MiquelFire
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January 2003
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Oddly enough, for me anyway, having the tab at the top is better for me as I tend to click a bookmark by mistake when it's below.

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gnolam
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March 2002
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With tabs, it actually matters, as I'm much more likely to want to manipulate tabs with the mouse than anything else (there's never a reason to mouse to the address bar). And a longer distance to move the mouse => more time required for the task[1].

References

  1. Fitt's law

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CursedTyrant
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April 2006
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I like the tabs on top feature because it leaves more space for websites.

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Matthew Leverton
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January 1999
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Tabs on the bottom don't make any sense from a UI perspective.

I like FF4's look, but I always ran FF3 with every toolbar and menu disabled.

Neil Roy
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April 2002
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Enable the menu in the latest FF4 beta, drag the icons from the right to the left like I have and it's no different to FF3, only faster.

Ooooh, thanks for that, I'll definitely install it then. Had me worried that FF4 was going to be another Chrome clone... that's very nice indeed.

I may leave the tabs on top, we'll see, that doesn't bother me so much.

I like how people are always trying to get things the way they used to be. Old farts hate change. ;D

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kenmasters1976
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July 2007

You can switch to a tab by typing in the name of the page into the location bar.

That's the Switch to Tab feature. I always thought it's useless but I rarely have more than 4 or 5 tabs open. For people with a bunch of tabs it may be useful indeed.

You can customize the hell out of the toolbar in Firefox 4.

I have customized the navigation toolbar to have only the back and forward buttons, the location bar and the home button. I don't really use anything else; even for searching I prefer to go to Google instead of searching from the toolbar. I still have the Feedback button too, which I used a few time during the beta period, but I'm likely going to remove it now.

Neil Roy
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April 2002
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Just installed it and reconfigured it... looks nice, I do like tabs on top but... what do I do with all this space?! ;)

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