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Anyone know of movies like Fight Club?
relay01
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Fight Club is incredibly homoerotic. Most people don't mention that fact.

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Chris Katko
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relay01 said:

Fight Club is incredibly homoerotic. Most people don't mention that fact.

Is that a problem for you? ???

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More so anti-materialist propoganda that I can read. It's hard to find philosophical influences that I don't immediately call BS on.

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relay01
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Is that a problem for you? ???

Not for me since I was always aware of it. But I can't tell you how many guys I'll run into saying its "The Movie Every Man Must See" and lauding it for all its fight scenes without catching on the the gay undertones throughout.
Usually these people become completely aware of it the next time they see the film and swear it off like a disease. That, in itself is hilarious.

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Chris Katko
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I think the homoerotic undertones are only there if you're trying to find them.

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We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.

Is not homoerotic unless you project that into it. It's about being in a society where men aren't men anymore. Tones that are hit on throughout the movie.

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van_houtte
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i dont find it homoerotic, it's very alpha, it's feels rebelious, angry and brotherly, not really homoerotic, unless you chose to perceive it that way.

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Slartibartfast
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I watched Fight Club again yesterday while aware and actively trying to catch the homoerotic undertones and they were still very subtle. (Not in that they were hard to detect, but that they were mostly absent and only appeared in a few distant points in the movie.)

relay01
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Hmm. It all seemed pretty obvious to me.

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The movie features a rather afeminate male suffering from schizophrenia becoming deeply drawn to his own fabricated masculine counter-part. He gets incredibly hostile and feels abandoned when his counter-part becomes sexually involved with the woman in his life who "ruined everything."

The movie features flashing of male genitalia, a grown man with breasts, a support group for testicular cancer survivors weeping with one another, and the only featured woman in the film is incredibly masculine by nature. The "fight club" features only men struggling with their gender roles who often after attempting to dominate each other, end up in a joyous embrace of each other.

How is that subtle? ;D

Is not homoerotic unless you project that into it. It's about being in a society where men aren't men anymore. Tones that are hit on throughout the movie.

Not really, (of course this is all up to interpretation) but considering the sexual preference of both the author of the book the movie was based on, and the director of the film. (please correct me if i'm wrong about that point) but it appears more like a movie about men who aren't men without embracing other men.

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van_houtte
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i dont find any of that homoerotic, no need to get all defensive about your tastes.. ???

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relay01
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i dont find any of that homoerotic, no need to get all defensive about your tastes.

Fair enough. I'll quit playing the role of captain states the obvious. If you like the movie, fine, its an interesting film. I'm a heterosexual male and happen to enjoy the movie myself.

More so anti-materialist propoganda that I can read. It's hard to find philosophical influences that I don't immediately call BS on.

The New Testament maybe? Depends on what you feel is propoganda.

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relay01 said:

The New Testament maybe? Depends on what you feel is propoganda.

I watched Fight Club last week and it actually reminded me of a few "scenes" with Jesus with regards to materialism. Like when Jesus tells the rich man he must give away all of his material possessions in order to get to heaven.*

(*which is not at all the point he's making, for those who prefer one liners.)

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Vanneto
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May 2007

relay01: I have a different interpretation, which I am sure is more accurate than calling it homo erotic, but am not going to discuss it here.

Basically almost any movie can be viewed as homo erotic. (even if it isn't) What does this boil down to? Homophobia? Repressed homosexuality? Or are you simply introverted? INTJ or INTZ?

I don't know, you be the judge.

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The stereotype of homosexuals doesn't seem to include the propensity for engaging in bloody fistfights.

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Vanneto
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Or maybe it is simply envy? Wanting to be like the males in the movie and failing? Calling the movie homo erotic simply being a gesture of despair and disappointment because of his failing?

One more thing I like to address. There are male genitalia in this movie. I was shocked, shocked to see this. But the male genitalia flash for a fraction of a second. You know you saw something, but you don't quite know what. I am sure relay01 is a person of reason, so he wanted to confirm what he saw... So he had to stop whichever video player he was using and ever so slowly go to see the male genitalia in all its hairy detail. Didn't we all? So what if we did? Homo erotic?

And why in the name of all that is fuck are male breasts homo erotic? This can bring up a very interesting debate. Why do some people view male breasts as homo erotic? My hypothesis is that they themselves had male breasts as children and were teased by other male counterparts as being "gay" or "homo" thus viewing all other male breasts as homo erotic. It is a very serious condition and should be treated as soon as possible.

This really does bring me to another point I want to make about a certain kind of people. I mean those people that agree with everything. I knew a person like that a long time ago.

He would talk to you, like any other normal person, and when you would say something like "I find <something> very fun!" he would go "Yeah! Me too!" and then... Because I knew what he was doing, I said "But then again, <something> isn't really that good..." he would then go "Yeah, not that good."

I couldn't stand him. Sure, if he were to have the same view on religion as me, we would be best friends... But the bastard always changed his mind when he was with a religious person. I hated him for it. Not only was he my sheep... He was everybody's sheep. :-X

So where does this bring us? Very simply put... If you had time to read all this and still bitch and moan about spelling and grammar. Well my find bullshitting friends... Seems like you don't have anything better to do eh? Well, this could either be a case of boredom or simply an OREPD (Obsessive Read Every Post Disorder). Boredom can be cured of course but I am not so sure of the latter. Which brings me to the spelling mistakes. I did probably make a lot of them but then again nobody is probably crazy enough to read it all so most of them will go unnoticed.

See bamccaig? How does it feel? This is how I feel!

But lets really get back to movies that have a "soul searching" factor to them. In my opinion, this is also subjective. What is soul searching and how do you define it? I really can't suggest a movie if I don't know what exactly I need to be looking for. See, for me, Fight Club was not a movie about soul searching... But then again it is 5 AM here and I didn't sleep for 2 days.

Worry not, I do have a movie I can recommend you anyway. I am sure you have seen it... But if you haven't you really do need to see The Shawshank Redemption. Its number one on IMDB. I agree with the other people. But you know what? Many people won't agree with me. I'll tell you why! Most people over analyze these days. Like relay01. What the shit is so homo erotic about Fight Club? Nothing. Its just over analyzing. Some people will do that to a lot of movies that don't deserve it. Not saying Fight Club deserves it or not, I haven't decided on that yet. But other movies, that are just for "kicks" are over analyzed to hell... Which brings me to another similar thing.

People want more and more complex movies these days. Hey, I am all for it, movies these days are shit just because they aren't complex enough. Too simple. But people are getting too snotty. Not every movie should be a fucking masterpiece that discusses psychology, the purpose of life and other bullshit that you can think of. People need to realize that some movies are just for relaxing and not too much thinking. For example, Indiana Jones 4 is a relaxing movie, the boring scenes and horrible story will make anybody relax and fall asleep. Do you get where I'm getting at? Neither do I.

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Chris Katko
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Vanneto said:

One more thing I like to address. There are male genitalia in this movie. I was shocked, shocked to see this. But the male genitalia flash for a fraction of a second. You know you saw something, but you don't quite know what. I am sure relay01 is a person of reason, so he wanted to confirm what he saw... So he had to stop whichever video player he was using and ever so slowly go to see the male genitalia in all its hairy detail. Didn't we all? So what if we did? Homo erotic?

o_O

Why do people, in the year 2011, still think a penis or vagina is interesting solely because it's there? It's used for sex. It's not a big deal.

People who make a big deal out of genitalia are the same people that make it hard for other people to seek medical attention concerning their "privates" and why things like testicular cancer are very treatable yet rarely diagnosed.

It sounds like something a child would do, except full adults never seem to peel it away like they do Santa Claus. It's so damn irrational and childish. It's like "being afraid of strangers" solely because they're strangers. That's something a child should do, but not an adult.

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Vanneto said:

One more thing I like to address. There are male genitalia in this movie. I was shocked, shocked to see this. But the male genitalia flash for a fraction of a second. You know you saw something, but you don't quite know what. I am sure relay01 is a person of reason, so he wanted to confirm what he saw... So he had to stop whichever video player he was using and ever so slowly go to see the male genitalia in all its hairy detail. Didn't we all? So what if we did? Homo erotic?

The "huge cock" is there, but here's a bit more context... in that particular scene, the lead character's alter ego (the Brad Pitt character, don't remember the name) explains how, in his job as a cinema operator, he likes to insert pictures of huge cocks for the duration of a single frame, to fuck with the audience's minds. While he explains this, a movie fragment with such an inserted frame is shown.
So the male genitalia aren't just shown for the sake of it, but the context clearly shows that this whole scene is intended to sketch the character and contrast it against the fairly conventional 'real' personality (the "IKEA boy" who is being mind-fucked all the time).

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Arvidsson
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It's also shown in the end credits (I think) to fuck with us, the audience, probably to induce a homo erotic feeling.

van_houtte
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It's also shown in the end credits (I think) to fuck with us, the audience, probably to induce a homo erotic feeling.

Rest assured it has induced warm fuzzy, maybe even confused feelings deep inside relay01 :-*

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It's also shown in the end credits (I think) to fuck with us, the audience, probably to induce a homo erotic feeling.

About 50% of the humans in the world have penises. Seeing one doesn't suddenly make someone want to perform sex acts on it.

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Tobias Dammers
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It's also shown in the end credits (I think) to fuck with us, the audience, probably to induce a homo erotic feeling.

That movie probably wants to turn our children into brain-eating homer sexuals. It's filthy communism, that's what it is!

Seriously though:

  • This kind of thing just begs to be quoted in the end credits.

  • You can only "induce homo-erotic feelings" in people who are homo- or bisexual already

  • Why are people obsessing about this so much? There's a kajillion movies out there with a hetero-erotic undertone, but I don't see those discussed the same way.

  • In Twelve Monkeys, we see Bruce Willis naked. Coincidence?

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Arvidsson
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People say the same stuff about Brokeback Mountain, but I don't see what they're getting at.

relay01
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Rest assured it has induced warm fuzzy, maybe even confused feelings deep inside relay01 :-*

Vanneto said:

I'll tell you why! Most people over analyze these days. Like relay01. What the shit is so homo erotic about Fight Club? Nothing.

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I am sure relay01 is a person of reason, so he wanted to confirm what he saw... So he had to stop whichever video player he was using and ever so slowly go to see the male genitalia in all its hairy detail. Didn't we all? So what if we did? Homo erotic?

...I feel oddly popular... almost obsessed over. :P

Being that the film had single frame glimpses throughout, I knew what I was looking at the instant the frame flashed by at the end.
Didn't need to frame-by-frame the scene to catch that not so subtle man-bits insertion at the end.

Maybe it's the genitalia itself is homoerotic, or maybe it's the fact that Tyler refers to it as "A Nice Big Cock" :P

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I watched Fight Club last week and it actually reminded me of a few "scenes" with Jesus with regards to materialism. Like when Jesus tells the rich man he must give away all of his material possessions in order to get to heaven.*

Some don't like it when you call Jesus a socialist... but he kinda was...

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decepto
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April 2006
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Movies like Fight Club?

12 Monkeys
Children of Men
2001: A Space Odyssey
Snatch
Layer Cake

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