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Slartibartfast
Member #8,789
June 2007
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I've been using 9.04 for quite a while now. I tried 9.10 when it came out and was horribly disappointed when nothing worked right (unlike 9.04 where everything worked perfectly out of the box [including wireless]), so for now I'm sticking to the tried and tested 9.04. As for Linux vs. Windows, I've grown accustomed to Ubuntu and dislike it when I have to boot Windows to do windowsy stuff (like use MS Office when I have to, or play games, or use Matlab). ---- |
type568
Member #8,381
March 2007
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Arthur Kalliokoski said: To answer your question, Member #10,724, a name is easier to remember than a number. You wouldn't want to use numbers for labels in your programs, would you? And there is the coolness factor for weird names. A noob, without even an avatar is speaking. Append:
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Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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I'm going to try wubi again on my mac/bootcamp setup, and watch it destroy everything.
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bamccaig
Member #7,536
July 2006
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Kibiz0r said: I hear this a lot, which makes me wonder... Are people throwing bricks at their computers? I haven't had an OS-related crash on any platform in years.
Oscar Giner said:
bamccaig: is your computer broken? I've been using Win 7 since the first public beta and I still haven't seen a BSOD or system crashes. Even in XP they were very rare (I used to have some... and after a pair of weeks my CPU definitively blowed Yet I say the same thing about Linux. When I'm running Linux on my hardware, it works fine! n00bs! It all comes down to hardware support. Hardware vendors typically don't cooperate with Linux developers so they're forced to painfully reverse engineer and write their own kernel modules, which unsurprisingly aren't perfect right away. In Windows though, you're not only paying good money for the system, but the hardware vendors typically write their own drivers for the hardware. There's no good reason for driver issues. It's always theoretically possible that it's actually a hardware fault, but I'm not an engineer so I'm not the one to say. The computer ran fine all through the Vista days, while my colleague with an identical machine BSOD'd three or more times a day for nearly a year (ironically?, his computer seems to be fine now[1]). I was fine with Windows 7 for a while, though I still experienced the occasional lockup, but ever since installing the release version of Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate it's been unstable. Myself and my colleague have opened up the case and saw nothing alerting... Fans and heat sinks all seem clear and there is no visible damage.. kenmasters1976 said: I'm on XP, I don't know if newer versions are more or less annoying, but these annoyances are (somewhat) minor considering the better performance I get compared to any Linux distro I've tried.
When I was running Fedora (8 and 9, IIRC) it had far superior performance compared to Windows XP, Vista, or even Seven. It booted faster, reach a usable state super fast, and just always worked. Things happened when I told them to. References
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xhoch3
Member #11,833
April 2010
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I just saw a video on youtube some weeks ago, in which people were shown Kubuntu 10.04 and were told that this is the upcoming Windows 8 in the city. They were all surprised on how easy to use and fast Windows 8 became The best practice is a good theory. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Jacob Dawid said: I just saw a video on youtube some weeks ago That process says nothing about anybody except for the people who were selected for the video after editing. You could make the same video with people being fooled into thinking that Windows 7 was OS X 10.7 or a C64 was an iPad. |
SiegeLord
Member #7,827
October 2006
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Slartibartfast said: use Matlab Out of curiosity... why not use the Linux version of it? I have the 2007 version installed, and it works semi-fine. "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow."-Ecclesiastes 1:18 |
kenmasters1976
Member #8,794
July 2007
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bamccaig said: It all comes down to hardware support. Yes, definitely. If Linux had official hardware support, things would be a lot different. Without it, it is actually quite a feat that it runs on so many hardware.
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Goalie Ca
Member #2,579
July 2002
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Thomas Fjellstrom said: linux on a mac book pro is nasty? I thought a MBP was a rather nice system should run fine. Apple comes with a surprising amount of polish and everytime I install linux i begin to realize all of those little things like the light sensor that dims/brightens my keyboard and monitor with changing light conditions, the GPU accelerated video rendering, etc. ------------- |
xhoch3
Member #11,833
April 2010
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Matthew Leverton said: That process says nothing about anybody except for the people who were selected for the video after editing. You could make the same video with people being fooled into thinking that Windows 7 was OS X 10.7 or a C64 was an iPad. Wrong. The point is not to show that Linux generally is better than everything else. It is that people think Linux is something difficult to handle - and in fact it is not. edit: edit2: The best practice is a good theory. |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Having somebody press a few buttons at prompt on the street is nothing. It's a completely controlled and contrived experiment from which you can ascertain nothing useful. |
Slartibartfast
Member #8,789
June 2007
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SiegeLord said: Out of curiosity... why not use the Linux version of it? I have the 2007 version installed, and it works semi-fine.
Mostly because I could only get a free student version for Windows. I don't quite remember if the Linux version was none-working or not there at all. If I'll still remember by the time the weekend ends I'll check if I can get a Linux version. type568 said: Slartibartfast, what a cute nose.. I've never noticed before.
Well, I can't really say thank you since that is not my nose, but rather it belongs to my dog ---- |
xhoch3
Member #11,833
April 2010
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Matthew Leverton said: Having somebody press a few buttons at prompt on the street is nothing. It's a completely controlled and contrived experiment from which you can ascertain nothing useful.
Okay, I won't argue with you on that, keep your opinion The best practice is a good theory. |
Goalie Ca
Member #2,579
July 2002
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Actually, today i'm going to try out 9.10 netbook remix. My friend has a busted netbook and I told her I can get it booting unless the hardware is broken. Her windows wont load even in safemode. anyone have pointers/tips?? ------------- |
SiegeLord
Member #7,827
October 2006
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Slartibartfast said: Though if you say your Linux version works only semi-fine then maybe I shouldn't :S. The issue I'm referring to is that under Compiz MATLAB windows sometimes disappear from the taskbar (I blame Java). The windows are still there, you just have to Alt-Tab/Expose/etc to them. That said, I have an older version... perhaps they fixed it since. It also works fine if you don't use Compiz, hehe. "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow."-Ecclesiastes 1:18 |
Matthew Leverton
Supreme Loser
January 1999
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Jacob Dawid said: All I can say is this experiment (of which I think has not been faked) supports my general experience. I'm not suggesting it was faked. But it is contrived and edited. I could just as easily have somebody sit down in front of my fresh Ubuntu install and do this:
The person would be wide-eyed and confused, wondering why he had to type in all of those "codes." A more realistic study would be to take three groups of computer-illiterates, with each beginning on a different OS (Windows 7, Ubuntu, OS X) that has been preconfigured to avoid all of the above nonsense. Have them perform the same task on each OS without any help. E.g., Log in to your e-mail account, open up the picture attachment, print it out, crop it, save it, and send it to somebody. That would give you an idea of how easy each OS is to use. However, it wouldn't do much in the way of long-term usability:
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Thomas Fjellstrom
Member #476
June 2000
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Goalie Ca said: Apple comes with a surprising amount of polish and everytime I install linux i begin to realize all of those little things like the light sensor that dims/brightens my keyboard and monitor with changing light conditions, the GPU accelerated video rendering, etc. That light sensor idea is pretty cool. And GPU video rendering.. If you count Xvideo I gots it. But if you want a little more than that, yeah, I can get hw video decoding on my laptop through intel's VAAPI and a new enough mplayer/ffmpeg. If I installed the binary fglrx drivers I'd get gpu video decoding there too, and sadly, no gpu video decoding for my desktop. NVidia doesn't support the g80 with VDPAU -- |
Neil Walker
Member #210
April 2000
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I find Linux Mint is better. It's ubuntu but with all the missing stuff added (like codecs and nvidia drivers) and a vastly improved menu system. Neil. wii:0356-1384-6687-2022, kart:3308-4806-6002. XBOX:chucklepie |
Slartibartfast
Member #8,789
June 2007
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Matthew Leverton said: "To listen to MP3 files, you just have to type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"! Or instead, you could try opening an mp3 file and have a nice popup saying "these codecs are restricted blah blah, click here to install them" ---- |
xhoch3
Member #11,833
April 2010
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Matthew Leverton said: Linux suffers from being out of the mainstream loop... all it takes is for a single program or file or device to not be supported, and it's back to Windows. (The same thing can apply to OS X, but with Apple controlling the hardware, it's not as big of an issue.) That's true. I am having this problem with Visual Studio. Fortunately, I will not be forced to use it in the future. For the rest of my programs I personally decided to ignore software/hardware that is not available for/working with Linux - and I am not missing anything. The best practice is a good theory. |
kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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Slartibartfast said: Or instead, you could try opening an mp3 file and have a nice popup saying "these codecs are restricted blah blah, click here to install them" I'm pretty sure thats what happens if you try to play mp3's on a new ubuntu installation with the default gui media player (totem?). |
Slartibartfast
Member #8,789
June 2007
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kazzmir said: I'm pretty sure thats what happens if you try to play mp3's on a new ubuntu installation with the default gui media player (totem?). Yeah, that's what I said; that instead of doing sudo apt-get ... you can just try and open an mp3 file and have the restricted codecs magically install themselves. (And yes, that's Totem, though it happens with previous versions as well.) ---- |
kazzmir
Member #1,786
December 2001
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Oh sorry, I read your original remark as something theoretically possible to which I was validating. English parse fail. |
Trent Gamblin
Member #261
April 2000
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After a couple hours screwing around with stuff, I got all of my hardware on my macbook working (webcam is too slow for video)... that's better than usual. And wubi installed and works pretty good, so I'm happy to have a real linux system on my main machine to supplement the vm.
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BAF
Member #2,981
December 2002
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Trent Gamblin said: I got all of my hardware on my macbook working (webcam is too slow for video) Doesn't sound like it's all working to me. Quote: After a couple hours screwing around with stuff (...) that's better than usual Pretty crappy when the benchmark for a good Linux experience is getting stuff mostly working after a few hours. |
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